EastonSN+ Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 minute ago, donsutherland1 said: The smoothing can result in large differences between what fell at a specific location and the average figure for a geographic area. Yeah, also I think they put great weight into specific reporting stations like Bridgeport which reported a ridiculous 15 inches (official report from Fairfield next town over was also 27). Darien, Wilton, Westport, Norwalk and Fairfield all reported 22 plus yet the 15 by Bridgeport must have really pulled it down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Pretty bad stretch of winters starting with 18/19 with only 20/21 with above average snowfall. However we have been through this before (87/88 through 91/92, 96/97 through 01/02, pretty much the 30 year period from 1970 through 2000 with the exception of 77/78, 93/94 and 95/96). We will have another great stretch of winters again like the 1960s and this century, I just hope it's not another terrible 30 year stretch like before! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdrag Posted January 7, 2023 Author Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, LibertyBell said: Walt, I heard that the Poconos had some snow this morning too? As an example KMPO S- from about 9A-1030A with about 0.01 Melted. Temp was near 31-32F. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Allsnow said: 13/14 had 57.4 going into end of February/march. The pattern ended up being too suppressive going forward. 2011 once the blocking broke down you knew it was over Yup, although we still had 1 minor and 1 moderate event later on that year, but the big storm potential was done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Now dig this: Month to date is 50.9[+16.1] The next 17 are averaging 41(36/46) or +8 So by the 24th with the setup below, we would be near 43.6[+10.1]---a record pace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 16 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: I think they weigh area coverage much higher than top amount of snow. 1993 and 1996 were extremely vast in area affected. 2016 was definitely right up there just a little less. Yeah Jan 2016 wasn't higher than those 2 (1993 and 1996) but I would rank it higher than March 1960 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Yup, although we still had 1 minor and 1 moderate event later on that year, but the big storm potential was done. This is not about that but just some thoughts about the current pattern. People blaming this on La Nina are a little off target IMO. This winter isn't behaving like a la nina, especially not with that firehose of moisture going right into California (which they really need). This winter has a mixture of el nino and la nina elements or more accurately, it's behaving like a neutral enso. AND NEUTRAL IS THE WORST POSSIBLE ENSO TO GET. especially after a la nina! Just like la nina after el ninos become our hall of fame winters (following hall of fame summers), neutral after la ninas become our hall of shame winters. Look at this list of neutral winters after la nina.... 1989-90 2001-02 2011-12 Some list huh? This is behaving MUCH more like a neutral enso..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 minute ago, LibertyBell said: This is not about that but just some thoughts about the current pattern. People blaming this on La Nina are a little off target IMO. This winter isn't behaving like a la nina, especially not with that firehose of moisture going right into California (which they really need). This winter has a mixture of el nino and la nina elements or more accurately, it's behaving like a neutral enso. AND NEUTRAL IS THE WORST POSSIBLE ENSO TO GET. especially after a la nina! Just like la nina after el ninos become our hall of fame winters, neutral after la ninas become our hall of shame winters. Look at this list of neutral winters after la nina.... 1989-90 2001-02 2011-12 Some list huh? This is behaving MUCH more like a neutral enso..... Yeah pretty sad (although I am loving the energy savings). I do feel like we were extremely unlucky in December like 89. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 29 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Yeah pretty sad (although I am loving the energy savings). I do feel like we were extremely unlucky in December like 89. The firehose is common in El Nino s 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LibertyBell Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 20 minutes ago, wdrag said: Walt, so 0.1" snow this morning at MPO and 0.5"? yesterday? I saw Boston had 1.2"-- is this their first snow of the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Yeah pretty sad (although I am loving the energy savings). I do feel like we were extremely unlucky in December like 89. Suppressed patterns were common in the 80s though, it was just too cold for snow back then Before it warmed up too much for snow lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Prime example of the predominant cold suppressed pattern of the 80s is how DC averaged a lot more snow then than they have since NYC's "snowy" era began. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Walt, so 0.1" snow this morning at MPO and 0.5"? yesterday? I saw Boston had 1.2"-- is this their first snow of the season? No. Boston had 0.2” yesterday bringing the seasonal total to 1.2”. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Suppressed patterns were common in the 80s though, it was just too cold for snow back then Before it warmed up too much for snow lol Last year the Delmarva had a historic snow season which was south of us too. It still snows south of us, it just always misses DC somehow (in the MA forum they mentioned that in La Ninas the storm track is always NE or SE of DC area). Also I grew up in the 80s and 90s. Yes there were cold years but 100% fact we had some really really warm winters too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said: No. Boston had 0.2” yesterday bringing the seasonal total to 1.2”. 1.2 YTD? Yikes!!! It’s been awful everywhere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Just now, EastonSN+ said: Last year the Delmarva had a historic snow season which was south of us too. It still snows south of us, it just always misses DC somehow (in the MA forum they mentioned that in La Ninas the storm track is always me or SE of DC area). Also I grew up in the 80s and 90s. Yes there were cold years but 100% fact we had some really really warm winters too. Yeah the common theme back then was all the cold was frontloaded and then it was warm in February and beyond. December and January were especially MUCH colder back then but usually cold and dry. February became warmer and by then even if it was stormy it was too warm for snow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Just now, Allsnow said: 1.2 YTD? Yikes!!! It’s been awful everywhere 8" in Scranton lol. This really is an all timer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdrag Posted January 7, 2023 Author Share Posted January 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Walt, so 0.1" snow this morning at MPO and 0.5"? yesterday? I saw Boston had 1.2"-- is this their first snow of the season? Not correct as far as I can tell. Boston 0.2. MPO 0.1 today. Another Poconos location found on CoCoRaHs had 0.6 yesterday. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Yeah the common theme back then was all the cold was frontloaded and then it was warm in February and beyond. December and January were especially MUCH colder back then but usually cold and dry. February became warmer and by then even if it was stormy it was too warm for snow. Yup. I remember it was always much colder in fall back then. Also, April's were so warm and nice it seemed. Now they are cold and rainy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1.2 YTD? Yikes!!! It’s been awful everywhere Yep, our trace so far is actually better than Philly, Baltimore and DC. They have zero and yea Boston is just barely 1 inch for the season . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Yep, our trace so far is actually better than Philly, Baltimore and DC. They have zero and yea Boston is just barely 1 inch for the season .Actually I stand corrected. Boston has less than an inch for the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, snowman19 said: Yep, our trace so far is actually better than Philly, Baltimore and DC. They have zero and yea Boston is just barely 1 inch for the season . Brutal. Is orh still below 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Yup. I remember it was always much colder in fall back then. Also, April's were so warm and nice it seemed. Now they are cold and rainy. Except for April 1982 and 1983 which were actually fun. That April 1982 blizzard is the first snowstorm I have clear memories of. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Records for today Highs: EWR: 64 (2012) NYC: 64 (1907, 2012) LGA: 62 (2012) JFK: 61 (2012) Lows: LGA: 4 (2014) NYC: 4 (2014) JFK: 4 (2018) EWR: 3 (2014) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Just now, SACRUS said: Records for today Highs: EWR: 64 (2012) NYC: 64 (1907, 2012) LGA: 62 (2012) JFK: 61 (2012) Lows: LGA: 4 (2014) NYC: 4 (2014) JFK: 4 (2018) EWR: 3 (2014) wow 2014 and 2018 really were something on the opposite end of the winter spectrum 2012 really was "something" "something" !#%$^^& Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailMan06 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Volcanic Winter said: I got down to 31F overnight, was surprised. Pinelands microclimate ftw. I like how we’re discussing the weather like we’re still in October. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North and West Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 I like how we’re discussing the weather like we’re still in October.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcanic Winter Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, HailMan06 said: I like how we’re discussing the weather like we’re still in October. I was saying “kill me” internally while typing that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 The warm winter has helped Europe a lot with their demand problems and it'll help us too this month. Once you accept that it'll be a mild/snow-free winter it becomes kinda nice. Lots of positives. Only wish there was less rain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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