December 22nd - 23rd Cutter Discussion and Observations

[LibertyBell]

21 hours ago, bluewave said:

8.45 was above Irene and below Sandy.

 

1) 10.12 ft on 10/29/2012
(2) 7.35 ft on 08/28/2011

Thanks, that 10 ft surge in Sandy may be the highest storm surge we'll see in our lifetimes.

So 8.45 was the highest it got in this last storm and it was timed perfectly with the lunar high tide.

This was some storm of extremes, from 58 degrees at 4 am with thunderstorms and 61 mph winds to an 8.5 ft storm surge to diving into the single digits, 7 degrees this morning with -15 wind chill

Is this the largest temperature difference this area has ever seen within 24 hours?

I remember we went from -2 to 55 in January 1994 but that was over 30-36 hours I believe?

Yesterdays splits were 58/8 so a 50 degree spread?

[LibertyBell]

11 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

The December 23, 2022 low temperature in New York City was 8F (-13.3C). The temperature fell 50F (27.8C) from the day's high. That was the largest daily range on record. The prior mark of 48F (26.7C) was set on March 28, 1921. Records go back to 1869.

 

I was rooting hard for this record!

We are the new Rapid City / Spearfish SD!

is this the east coast record?

 

[HeadInTheClouds]

Buffalo is going to get another 5 feet on top of what they have already received this year. Not to mention the bone chilling cold and 60MPH winds. 

[North and West]

days are already getting longer...sun angle is increasing...

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[psv88]

Martha’s Vineyard winter storm warning…up to 10 inches of snow 

[LibertyBell]

15 minutes ago, HeadInTheClouds said:

Buffalo is going to get another 5 feet on top of what they have already received this year. Not to mention the bone chilling cold and 60MPH winds. 

Hurricane force winds-- but this is all normal for them lol

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

5 minutes ago, psv88 said:

Martha’s Vineyard winter storm warning…up to 10 inches of snow 

Bands are drifting north, may clip the south shore now. Same for Buffalo they are catching a break currently 

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Bands are drifting north, may clip the south shore now. Same for Buffalo they are catching a break currently 

It would be funny if we got some snow up here but I doubt that will happen.

 

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

Just now, LibertyBell said:

It would be funny if we got some snow up here but I doubt that will happen.

 

Not this far north and west, it would be the south shore of eastern Suffolk. Not enough fetch to produce snow and further west

[LibertyBell]

10 hours ago, Intensewind002 said:

Here in SW Suffolk, the gusts associated with the LLJ peaked 50-60 mph  in a brief window from 5:00-5:30 AM. They died down once the convective showers moved east. Then after the cold front from between 2-9 pm we had frequent 40+ occasional 50+ gusts for a good 6 to 7 hrs straight, which was honestly a bit more impressive due to the longevity of it (plus the massive temperature drop)

 

I’ve been bottomed out at 8F for about 2 hrs now, about a 50 degree drop from this morning, still getting gusts in the 30-35 mph range.

We had 60 mph gusts at 4:30 am when we got hit by those thunderstorms and 50-60 mph behind the front like you said.  The winds were impressive but the temperature drop was a lot more impressive.

We do get 60-65 mph winds at least once every few months here.

The 50 degree temperature drop was historic.

[LibertyBell]

6 hours ago, MJO812 said:

4 in Brooklyn 

This has to be the coldest morning low for December in years. Pretty impressive without snow cover.

How do you measure your temperature? 4 is the lowest I've heard anywhere near the city.

 

[LibertyBell]

6 hours ago, SI Mailman said:

Remember Christmas Eve 2015 when we torched?  I'll be wearing about 8 extra layers than that day at work today.  

Bet you didn't think we'd have a 30 inch plus snowstorm coming less than a month later!

 

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, bluewave said:

Sea smoke and localized blizzard conditions south of Long Island in that 30 DBZ squall.

a good time for a boating trip!

[LibertyBell]

14 hours ago, Roger Smith said:

I ran a program on the data base and here is the full list of 38+ daily ranges (1869-2022); as Don mentioned, 48 is the maximum but in terms of winter synoptics 43 (58/15) on Jan 9, 1978 seems to be the largest range from this type of deep freeze plunge (the record was a cold front too but in late March 1921).

The occasions with ** marking are also in the list of largest day to day changes in maximum temperature that I posted earlier in the thread and will update from 23rd and 24th max data.

The largest change there was 41 deg in Feb 1918. 

I have identified the cause of the large range which can be warming especially earlier in the records when there was a smaller urban heat island, at the onset of very warm spells. So the list of largest ranges caused by a daily cooling trend is smaller than this list, as about one third that I have identified are large (mostly spring month) warmings rather than created by a cold front.

This is a long list but it may help anyone interested in finding similar synoptic situations. l can now edit in Dec 23, 2022 apparently the new champion of the big range at 50 F deg difference (58,8). 

 

Rank ___ Date ______ Range from Max, Min ___range due wx colder or warmer? 

_ 01 ____ Dec 23, 2022 _50 __ 58 __ 8 ____ cold front 

_ 02 ____ Mar 28, 1921 _ 48 __ 82 _ 34 ____ cold front (prev day 60/47, next day 42/26)

_ 03 ____ Apr 25, 1915 _ 44 __ 91 _ 47 ____ could have been either or both (67,91,72,92,54)  

_t04 ____ Apr 7, 1929 __ 43 __ 89 _ 46 ____ warming from prev day max 56, next day 88

_t04 ____ Jan 9, 1978 __ 43 __ 58 _ 15 ____ cold front (next day 21/12) ^

_ 06 ____ Mar 13, 1990 _ 42 __ 85 _ 43 ___ warm spell with large diurnal ranges (also 35 range 15th)

_t07 ____ Feb 20, 1918 _ 41 __ 59 _ 18 ____ cold front, next day max 18 (this is largest day to day change) **

_t07 ____ Mar 18, 1934 _41 __ 71 _ 30 ____ cold front, next day max 36 min 22 **

_t07 ____ May 19, 1962 _41 __ 99 _ 58 ____ warming, prev day 89/56, next 90/64. (May's highest  max)

_t07 ____ Mar 20, 1986 _41 __ 62 _ 21 ____ cold front, next day 36/18

_t07 ____ Dec 22, 1998 _41 __ 63 _ 22 ____ cold front, next day 29/18

_t12 ____ Dec 2, 1942 __ 40 __ 58 _ 18 ____ cold front, next day max 30 min 18

_t12 ____ Jan 23, 1957 _ 40 __ 60 _ 20 ____ cold front, next day max 27 min 16

_t12 ____ Apr 27, 1962 _ 40 __ 91 _ 51 _____ warming, prev day 71/45, next 89/62

_t12 ____ Apr 3, 1967 __ 40 __ 76 _ 36 ____ cold front (prev day 81/61, next day 50/32)

_t12 ____ Apr 12, 1977 _ 40 __ 90 _ 50 ____ warming (prev day 56/42, next day 88/60)

_t12 ____ Mar 18, 1989 _40 __ 77 _ 37 ____ cold front (prev day 70/42, (77/37), next day 46/31)

_t12 ____ Apr 27, 1990 _ 40 __ 91 _ 51 ____ warming, next day 90/69

_t12 ____ Apr 4, 1995 __ 40 __ 68 _ 28 ___ cold front, next day 39/23

_t20 ____ Apr 8 1871 ___ 39 __ 85 _ 46 ____ next two days very warm (83, 80)

_t20 ____ Jan 10, 1876 _ 39 __ 60 _ 21 ____ cold front (max 9th 56, max 11th 24) **

_t20 ____ Apr 19, 1897 _ 39 __ 68 _ 29 ____ cold front (max 20th 43 min 24)

_t20 ____ Apr 1, 1917 ___ 39 __ 83 _ 44 ____could have been either or both (62, 83, 54)

_t20 ____ Mar 26, 1922_ 39 __ 76 _ 37 ____ warming, prev day 55/40, next day 62/53

_t20 ____ Dec 8, 1927 __ 39 __ 65 _ 26 ____ cold front (next day max 26) **

_t20 ____ Feb 8, 1933 __ 39 __ 60 _ 21 ____ cold front (next day max 24) **

_t20 ____ Mar 9, 1987 __ 39 __ 62 _ 23 ____ cold front (prev day 76F, next day 28/15) record hi to low max in 2d

_t20 ____ Mar 8, 2005 __ 39 __57 _ 18 ____ cold front (prev day 63/43, next day 31/16)

_t20 ____ Jan 13, 2018 __ 39 __58 _ 19 ____ cold front (prev day 61/44, next day 25/15)

_t30 ____ May 10 1874 _ 38 __ 90 _ 52 ____ cold front, morning low prob'ly 65-70

_t30 ____ Feb 27, 1880 _ 38 __ 68 _ 30 ___ warming, next two days 56, 69 (LYD)

_t30 ____ Feb 16, 1896 _ 38 __ 44 __ 6 ___ cold front, max 15th 54, max 17th 7 F **

_t30 ____ Dec 15, 1901 _ 38 __ 60 _ 22 ___ cold front, max 14th 58, max 16th 26

_t30 ____ Apr 27, 1915 _ 38 __ 92 _ 54 ___ probably cold front (see above Apr 25) ** 2nd entry in 3d

_t30 ____ Mar 19, 1918 _ 38 __ 76 _ 38 ____ cold front more likely (next day 52/36)

_t30 ____ Dec 14, 1919 _ 38 __ 60 _ 22 ___ cold front (61, 60, 27 max 13-15)

_t30 ____ Jan 27, 1925 _ 38 __ 42 __ 4 ___ cold front (next day min -2, max 14)

_t30 ____ Mar 16, 1935 _ 38 __ 77 _ 39 ___ warming as prev day max 43, next day max 67 (range 34 cf)

_t30 ____ Apr 21, 1936 _ 38 __ 81 _ 43 ___ cold front (next day 54/35)

_t30 ____ Mar 3, 1938 __38 __ 49 _ 11 ___ cold front (next day 29/9)

_t30 ____ Apr 25, 1960 _38 __ 87 _ 49 ___ warming more likely (70/45 prev, 70/52 next) or t'stm?

_t30 ____ Feb 25, 1970 _38 __ 54 _ 16 ___ cold front (next day 26/9)

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^ Jan 26, 1978 perhaps comes to mind, had a 36F range 58 down to 22

 

 

 

Wow March 1990 and April 1990 on this list, brings back some nice memories!
 

[LibertyBell]

15 hours ago, dmillz25 said:

With 3 hr obs left can we break that record?

We actually had 4 left at that point, the midnight obs are taken before midnight and count for the previous day, that got us to 50 :-)

 

[LibertyBell]

15 hours ago, SnoSki14 said:

Maybe it could tie it but more likely it'll be 2nd 

No, the forecasts were all off, we got colder than predicted and with a degree or two to spare (glad we got it to 50 degree difference just before midnight.)

 

[gravitylover]

1 hour ago, nycwinter said:

days are already getting longer...sun angle is increasing...

Good thing too! It actually helped that the car doors on our black car sitting in the supermarket parking lot this morning. 

[donsutherland1]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

I was rooting hard for this record!

We are the new Rapid City / Spearfish SD!

is this the east coast record?

 

Philadelphia also had a 50-degree range yesterday.

[LibertyBell]

19 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

Philadelphia also had a 50-degree range yesterday.

Wow excellent, a record for them too?

I saw a 54 degree swing at MPO in 24 hours (5 AM yesterday to 5 AM today), and 53 degrees on the same calendar day (are these records too?)

ABE had a 53 degree swing in 24 hours and on the same calendar day.

PHL had like you said a 50 degree swing in 24 hours and on the same calendar day.

I saw a  48 degree swing at JFK in 24 hours (5 AM yesterday to 5 AM today), and 46 degrees on the same calendar day (are these records too?)

LGA and EWR both had 50 degree swings in 24 hours and 49 degree swings on the same calendar day.

Thanks!

 

[lee59]

I had a 49 degrees swing from 57.4 to 8.5. Low this morning was 7. Currently 14.5. 

[Newman]

Can't confirm if this is real or fake, but it appears posted from a reputable source

 

[MJO812]

10 here in Brooklyn

[LibertyBell]

13 minutes ago, lee59 said:

I had a 49 degrees swing from 57.4 to 8.5. Low this morning was 7. Currently 14.5. 

I was looking across Long Island and FRG, ISP and FOK all had 48 degree swings on the same calendar day but all three were 50 degrees over 24 hours.

FOK had the maximum wind gust at 61 MPH after the cold front came through.

 

[NorthShoreWx]

Friday 12/23 in Smithtown

Min 8

Max 59

Range 51 degrees.

Storm total rainfall 0.40"

Snowfall: Trace

 

Minimum temperature Christmas Eve morning was 7.

[HeadInTheClouds]

The roads are all white because they dumped a ton of salt down. Does that count as a white Christmas? 

[LibertyBell]

12 minutes ago, HeadInTheClouds said:

The roads are all white because they dumped a ton of salt down. Does that count as a white Christmas? 

If my talcum powder debacle counts, salt counts too!  This seems to be a common theme the last couple of winters, more salt than snow.

 

[SnoSki14]

Rare mid teens high for December 

Current forecast for New Year's is in the mid 60s. 

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

2 hours ago, HeadInTheClouds said:

The roads are all white because they dumped a ton of salt down. Does that count as a white Christmas? 

It was so ridiculous on the uws yesterday. Probably the most I have ever seen on Broadway. Horrible for the environment, especially when it’s going to linger for days and days with no precip. I didn’t use any salt on campus and things were just fine. I took a leaf blower and blew away areas I know water collects. 

[donsutherland1]

3 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Wow excellent, a record for them too?

I saw a 54 degree swing at MPO in 24 hours (5 AM yesterday to 5 AM today), and 53 degrees on the same calendar day (are these records too?)

ABE had a 53 degree swing in 24 hours and on the same calendar day.

PHL had like you said a 50 degree swing in 24 hours and on the same calendar day.

I saw a  48 degree swing at JFK in 24 hours (5 AM yesterday to 5 AM today), and 46 degrees on the same calendar day (are these records too?)

LGA and EWR both had 50 degree swings in 24 hours and 49 degree swings on the same calendar day.

Thanks!

 

Some of yesterday’s records:

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

Some of yesterday’s records:

Thanks Don, Mt Pocono isn't in this list, but I assume they too set a new record?

Looks like 1978 and 1990 both appear a lot in this list lol.