RogueWaves Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 6 hours ago, michsnowfreak said: Very interesting that 1982-83 is minneapolis' snowiest Winter. That was a bad snow Winter just South of there in the Midwest. Sort of a similar set up to this year 82-83 was my first experience with strong Nino's. I remember MSP just getting slammed non-stop (actually it was Denver to MSP). Which is kinda weird since strong Nino's are supposed to be "warm and DRY" for the Norther tier. SEMI was chucked a bone on the first day of spring with a dbl digit storm for KFNT and mby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frog Town Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Just give me a neutral ENSO for the love of God! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, RogueWaves said: 82-83 was my first experience with strong Nino's. I remember MSP just getting slammed non-stop (actually it was Denver to MSP). Which is kinda weird since strong Nino's are supposed to be "warm and DRY" for the Norther tier. SEMI was chucked a bone on the first day of spring with a dbl digit storm for KFNT and mby. DTW was at 9.0" thru Mar 19, 1983. Then got 11" in spring. That said, I can't imagine going thru that Winter here. My mom was pregnant with me so I guess I kinda did lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said: DTW was at 9.0" thru Mar 19, 1983. Then got 11" in spring. That said, I can't imagine going thru that Winter here. My mom was pregnant with me so I guess I kinda did lol. You would have lost it in 97-98 where I was living. I wasn't happy for sure but we had some crazy noreasters that winter that made it somewhat interesting living at the beach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 We need to bring BowMe, Geos, and daddylonglegs back to help the mojo in here. The good old days of 2013-14. And… ’copter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 We need to bring BowMe, Geos, and daddylonglegs back to help the mojo in here. The good old days of 2013-14. And… ’copterBowMe, eh?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Chicago Storm said: BowMe, eh? . I wasn’t tuned in to the drama back then…could have been worse than I imagined. Others probably know better. Not trying to dig up gremlins from the past - just remembering the good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 .333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 15 hours ago, michsnowfreak said: Yeah Dec 2000 was awesome. The rest of the winter was zzzz city. Not sure about the overall national pattern tho. What was weird about 00-01 was there were some local events in parts of Oak & Macomb counties that made it not so bad (as FNT and DTW) the rest of winter along the M59 corridor (still a bit frustrating after such an incredible start). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 some of you need to take a page out of cromartie's book. every time he talks up a mild pattern and morch, he gets a solid snowfall. 2 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, Chicago Storm said: some of you need to take a page out of cromartie's book. every time he talks up a mild pattern and morch, he gets a solid snowfall. It's all sleet. It's frozen hell. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Best in the game^ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, A-L-E-K said: Best in the game^ he stays on point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaryWarren Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Today, I feel Qatari. Today, I feel Arab. Today, I feel African. Today, I feel gay. Today, I feel disabled. Today, I feel [like] a migrant worker. Today, I feel [like] Cromartie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 19 hours ago, beavis1729 said: I wasn’t tuned in to the drama back then…could have been worse than I imagined. Others probably know better. Not trying to dig up gremlins from the past - just remembering the good times. some are not as far away as you think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 On 2/19/2023 at 10:20 AM, OrdIowPitMsp said: Deal. We’ve got the all time seasonal snowfall record of 98.6” from 82-83 to break. Sitting at 55.6” with a good shot at being over 70” by the end of the week. On 2/21/2023 at 12:43 PM, michsnowfreak said: Very interesting that 1982-83 is minneapolis' snowiest Winter. That was a bad snow Winter just South of there in the Midwest. Sort of a similar set up to this year 1983-84 is their #1. 1982-83 was good there (74.4"), but ranks #13. Their top 10, BTW... 98.6" in 1983-84 95.0" in 1981-82 88.9" in 1950-51 86.6" in 2010-11 84.9" in 1916-17 84.1" in 1991-92 81.3" in 1961-62 79.0" in 1951-52 78.4" in 1966-67 78.3" in 2017-18 77.1" in 2018-19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, Chicago Storm said: some are not as far away as you think. I’ll take the bait. BowMe = UMB Wx. If so, I have no ill will…welcome back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 I’ll take the bait. BowMe = UMB Wx. If so, I have no ill will…welcome back. Who am I? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaryWarren Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 The walrus. Goo goo g'joob! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cary67 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Relatively speaking what's the odds of having a significant ice storm versus a heavy snowfall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cary67 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 ^Skeptics will point out the analysis started with an abnormally high baseline from the 70's winters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Cary67 said: Relatively speaking what's the odds of having a significant ice storm versus a heavy snowfall? Kind of depends on how you define heavy snowfall and significant ice, but assuming you have reasonable definitions for each, the snowfall is going to be more likely in general (maybe a different story as you head into the southern US, but not sure). So many failure modes for getting significant ice compared to a heavy snow. Although you wouldn't know it this year for a good portion of the sub lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Cary67 said: Relatively speaking what's the odds of having a significant ice storm versus a heavy snowfall? Until yesterday, it had been 13-17 years since the last "ice storm warning" across east-central Iowa. As far as I can remember, we have not had significant ice since December 2007. It is just very difficult to get significant freezing rain here. If there is a tricky battlezone in the atmosphere, we are much more likely to get sleet or plain rain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, hawkeye_wx said: Until yesterday, it had been 13-17 years since the last "ice storm warning" across east-central Iowa. As far as I can remember, we have not had significant ice since December 2007. It is just very difficult to get significant freezing rain here. If there is a tricky battlezone in the atmosphere, we are much more likely to get sleet or plain rain. Yeah so often sleet co ck blocks the glazing potential. It's kind of hard to get a nearly pure freezing rain event, as it seems to be more fleeting/transitory in nature in these parts. The best ice storm I've witnessed was back in December '94 while living in the QC. We were forecast to get a warning criteria snow event, with freezing rain changing to snow. To my dismay at the time the freezing rain just kept holding and didn't change to snow until the final portion of the event. Didn't have online models to peruse in those days, so had to rely on TWC and weather radio. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 So you want snow, beavis? Just head to the Los Angeles metro area. Seriously though, I wonder how often something like this happens out there. Especially the blizzard warning. Not familiar with that area at all. URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Los Angeles/Oxnard CA 340 AM PST Thu Feb 23 2023 CAZ053-054-232100- /O.CON.KLOX.WS.W.0002.000000T0000Z-230224T1200Z/ /O.CON.KLOX.BZ.W.0001.230224T1200Z-230226T0000Z/ Ventura County Mountains-Los Angeles County Mountains- Including the cities of Lockwood Valley, Mount Pinos, Acton, and Mount Wilson 340 AM PST Thu Feb 23 2023 ...WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 4 AM PST FRIDAY... ...BLIZZARD WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 4 AM FRIDAY TO 4 PM PST SATURDAY... * WHAT...Winter Storm Warning through late Thursday with low elevation snow, strong winds and very cold wind chills. For the Blizzard Warning, heavy snow, winds gusting up to 80 mph, and near zero visibility. Total snow accumulations from 6 to 12 inches likely between 2000-4000 feet up to 2 and 5 feet of above 4000 feet. Isolated amounts to between 7 and 8 feet at higher elevations. Major mountains passes will be affected by significant snowfall. * WHERE...Ventura County Mountains and Los Angeles County Mountains. * WHEN...For the Winter Storm Warning, until 4 AM PST Friday. For the Blizzard Warning, from 4 AM Friday to 4 PM PST Saturday. * IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult to impossible. Very strong winds could cause extensive tree damage. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... If you must travel, keep an extra flashlight, food, and water in your vehicle in case of an emergency. Travel should be restricted to emergencies only. If you must travel, have a winter survival kit with you. If you get stranded, stay with your vehicle. The latest road conditions from CalTrans are available by calling 1 800 4 2 7 7 6 2 3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Cary67 said: ^Skeptics will point out the analysis started with an abnormally high baseline from the 70's winters. It's almost comical how you can bank on any graph showing warming/less snow/etc starting in the 1970s. But even in doing that, this graph is absolutely wrong in Michigan. Ran the numbers for Detroit, Flint, and Grand Rapids and all had somewhat of an INCREASE. I'd imagine they used Coop data. Missing data that comes with many coop stations would really help bring down the curve. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Hoosier said: So you want snow, beavis? Just head to the Los Angeles metro area. Seriously though, I wonder how often something like this happens out there. Especially the blizzard warning. Not familiar with that area at all. URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Los Angeles/Oxnard CA 340 AM PST Thu Feb 23 2023 CAZ053-054-232100- /O.CON.KLOX.WS.W.0002.000000T0000Z-230224T1200Z/ /O.CON.KLOX.BZ.W.0001.230224T1200Z-230226T0000Z/ Ventura County Mountains-Los Angeles County Mountains- Including the cities of Lockwood Valley, Mount Pinos, Acton, and Mount Wilson 340 AM PST Thu Feb 23 2023 ...WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 4 AM PST FRIDAY... ...BLIZZARD WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 4 AM FRIDAY TO 4 PM PST SATURDAY... * WHAT...Winter Storm Warning through late Thursday with low elevation snow, strong winds and very cold wind chills. For the Blizzard Warning, heavy snow, winds gusting up to 80 mph, and near zero visibility. Total snow accumulations from 6 to 12 inches likely between 2000-4000 feet up to 2 and 5 feet of above 4000 feet. Isolated amounts to between 7 and 8 feet at higher elevations. Major mountains passes will be affected by significant snowfall. * WHERE...Ventura County Mountains and Los Angeles County Mountains. * WHEN...For the Winter Storm Warning, until 4 AM PST Friday. For the Blizzard Warning, from 4 AM Friday to 4 PM PST Saturday. * IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult to impossible. Very strong winds could cause extensive tree damage. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... If you must travel, keep an extra flashlight, food, and water in your vehicle in case of an emergency. Travel should be restricted to emergencies only. If you must travel, have a winter survival kit with you. If you get stranded, stay with your vehicle. The latest road conditions from CalTrans are available by calling 1 800 4 2 7 7 6 2 3. How long of a drive from LA downtown is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 it's 80 in D.C. today, they've had 18 60+days this winter, and they have 0.4" of snow on the season. perfection. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjwise Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Hoosier said: So you want snow, beavis? Just head to the Los Angeles metro area. Seriously though, I wonder how often something like this happens out there. Especially the blizzard warning. Not familiar with that area at all. From a review of IEM VTEC, KLOX hasn't previously issued a Blizzard Warning since 1986 at least, when the IEM VTEC database starts (and is populated by KLOX warnings starting in that year). Winter storm warnings for the LA-area mountains typically occur once or twice a year or so, but not blizzard warnings. I'm also not sure when "Blizzard Warnings" started as a standardized product. ETA: This article claims a blizzard warning was issued in 1989, but it doesn't appear in IEM VTEC. ETA2: This tweet shows the 1989 blizzard warning, which was embedded into a weather summary. That's probably why it doesn't appear in IEM VTEC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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