penndotguy Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Birds~69 said: Brine guys are out and about, really don't think it's necessary. But hey, may give these guys some OT...good for them. 38F/sunny Not sure how it works anymore, but I know they wouldn’t brine unless it was supposed to accumulate and stay below freezing thru out the storm. That was a few years back when my Dad worked at pendot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Agnes Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Birds~69 said: Brine guys are out and about, really don't think it's necessary. But hey, may give these guys some OT...good for them. 38F/sunny I was just up your way around the time you posted this (at Assi Plaza) and saw the tell-tale "storm incoming" hazy deck of cirrus with sun trying to blaze through. Actually made it up to 40 as a high (degree warmer than yesterday's high) after a low of 27. 6 minutes ago, penndotguy said: Not sure how it works anymore, but I know they wouldn’t brine unless it was supposed to accumulate and stay below freezing thru out the storm. That was a few years back when my Dad worked at pendot. I saw Springfield Township did some brining earlier today. Am thinking it's more to reduce the potential for black ice with the event supposedly getting going during morning rush after a cold overnight and antecedent cold roads... plus a forecast of some kind of mix to start (including IP) for down this way. I know they use their own trucks to do it. Also wanted to throw the 12z Ukie in for its snow forecast for this upcoming event through to Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted December 14, 2022 Author Share Posted December 14, 2022 44 minutes ago, RedSky said: Its a late developing Miller B on the EPS, and nada with the GEM and GFS Correct. My original point was all 3 ens and ops get snow in our area and some accumulation. Plenty of time to go either way. You should be ecstatic just to get the ground whitened. Not all systems can be a MECS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds~69 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, penndotguy said: Not sure how it works anymore, but I know they wouldn’t brine unless it was supposed to accumulate and stay below freezing thru out the storm. That was a few years back when my Dad worked at pendot. Yeah, they were out. I was right behind the truck. Stayed far back, didn't want it splashing up on my car. (if possible) Watching the news, laying brine closer to Philly as well which I think is a complete waste even though they are in the WWA area. (for whatever reason) 35F/Clouds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds~69 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Hurricane Agnes said: I was just up your way around the time you posted this (at Assi Plaza) and saw the tell-tale "storm incoming" hazy deck of cirrus with sun trying to blaze through. Yeah, I live about 2 miles away. Looking out now from my recliner and see those clouds to the W. A line of darker ones just entering my view to the far W. 35F/Clouds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Crazy uncle gives the upper regions of Bucks 2.5" i like to see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonyweather Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Not sure how it works anymore, but I know they wouldn’t brine unless it was supposed to accumulate and stay below freezing thru out the storm. That was a few years back when my Dad worked at pendot. Pretty much 1” or more (plowable) in the forecast, brine goes down. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 GFS just misses with the late phase next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted December 14, 2022 Author Share Posted December 14, 2022 Just now, RedSky said: GFS just misses with the late phase next week Some Big hits on the individuals ens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChescoWx Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Overall means show increasing chances of our 1st White Christmas since 2012. Either way it will be cold!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds~69 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 At freezing. I picture some pings tomorrow morning then Fz rain/rain by 10-11am or so. Any flakes mixed in would be a bonus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Agnes Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 18z GFS has a little something down here along I95 but the kicker is the last panel a couple days before New Years. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penndotguy Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 2 hours ago, anthonyweather said: Pretty much 1” or more (plowable) in the forecast, brine goes down. . Interesting, They haven't done my area 222, 422 or any of the SR roads for that matter. I know the brine is only to keep the snow from binding to the road surface. I guess times have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Agnes Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 15 minutes ago, penndotguy said: Interesting, They haven't done my area 222, 422 or any of the SR roads for that matter. I know the brine is only to keep the snow from binding to the road surface. I guess times have changed. That's what our Streets Dept. here in Philly says - it's done to keep the snow from sticking to the road surface although it also lowers the freezing point of any melted precipitation as long as there is a decent concentration of it and no heavy rain to wash it away. But then they also claim they don't plow here until there is supposedly 3" or more that has accumulated on the roads and often by then, the damage is already done after the accidents pile up from slipping and sliding cars. And if you have like what is forecast here - heavy rain - (and worse, rain on either end of the event time frame) putting any type of treatment down means it all gets washed away. So I guess it's all in the timing of it with a focus needed on getting the overpasses and bridges treated well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds~69 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 24 minutes ago, penndotguy said: Interesting, They haven't done my area 222, 422 or any of the SR roads for that matter. I know the brine is only to keep the snow from binding to the road surface. I guess times have changed. I remember seeing a report within the last week or two they were short snow plow drivers? When I lived in Royersford they would brine/salt the hell outta 422. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds~69 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 29F/DP 19F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonyweather Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Hrrr 00z really cooled down, 1-3” in LV and 21” at mount pocono 🫣. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds~69 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 28F/DP 20F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voyager Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 25 minutes ago, anthonyweather said: Hrrr 00z really cooled down, 1-3” in LV and 21” at mount pocono That's a hell of a gradient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penndotguy Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 24F Dp4. Cloudy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds~69 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 1 minute ago, penndotguy said: 24F Dp4. Cloudy There will be some road issues up your way especially if it comes in early for the morning rush... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penndotguy Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 18 minutes ago, Birds~69 said: There will be some road issues up your way especially if it comes in early for the morning rush... yeah, I’m kinda thinking it’ll accumulate right away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 0z GFS came in even colder again. Even if we compare the snow depth maps, there's a clear shift southward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonyweather Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 0z GFS came in even colder again. Even if we compare the snow depth maps, there's a clear shift southward.Gonna score big or be discounted for the rest of the season. The consistency the past few days is remarkable. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 1 minute ago, anthonyweather said: Gonna score big or be discounted for the rest of the season. The consistency the past few days is remarkable. . I think it's obvious that the snow maps just aren't gonna work in a system like this, there's gonna be lots of ptype changes as rates change and such. The GFS being colder is inherently apart of it's bias to be progressive and less amped... it's just not showing as much mid-level warming as say the NAM and RGEM (which have a bias to be too amped). I honestly don't know what to expect here in Berks. I'm at a higher elevation compared to the southern part of the county which will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonyweather Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 I think it's obvious that the snow maps just aren't gonna work in a system like this, there's gonna be lots of ptype changes as rates change and such. The GFS being colder is inherently apart of it's bias to be progressive and less amped... it's just not showing as much mid-level warming as say the NAM and RGEM (which have a bias to be too amped). I honestly don't know what to expect here in Berks. I'm at a higher elevation compared to the southern part of the county which will help.Seeing it’s showing the dynamic cooling for what it could be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 GFS looks ominously better for the 23rd this could be fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, RedSky said: GFS looks ominously better for the 23rd this could be fun The CMC was a hair away from a bomb as well, verbatim destroys New England. It's an explosive setup with that northern stream shortwave and favorable confluence/blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 The good news is they have abandoned the low to the lakes idea the euro had started full on cold press winning out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVblizzard Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Massive signal for next week's storm on the GEFS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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