Newman Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, Bubbler86 said: I was reading the surface ob's at Harrisburg as well. The DP started dropping slight before 8 so that would indicate the front had passed to me. But this is interesting as there is always a delay in temp drop from what I have seen. HRRR has back building of precip well after the front, so I was not just counting on the precip. HRRR has precip in MDT still at noon which is way past the front. The 3k NAM also has that similar back building of precip into the area. Regarding the front thing... I checked a HBG wunderground site and the pressure was already rising there. So to be honest I'm confused too because there's mixed signals I'm getting. But also, it doesn't really matter because all we really care about is the snow haha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Newman said: The 3k NAM also has that similar back building of precip into the area. Regarding the front thing... I checked a HBG wunderground site and the pressure was already rising there. So to be honest I'm confused too because there's mixed signals I'm getting. But also, it doesn't really matter because all we really care about is the snow haha Yea, I was not trying to be persnickety, sorry. To me it looked like the front passed Harrisburg before 8AM. I had initially said it looked like it was in NJ but then I did see the WPC map was an estimate so I yanked that misconception, sorry. I do believe it takes a period of time from front passage for temps mixing down to the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj88 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Wind just picked up like crazy here and is changing over to snow temp is 36 down 5 degrees in the last 15 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said: Yea, I was not trying to be persnickety, sorry. To me it looked like the front passed Harrisburg before 8AM. I had initially said it looked like it was in NJ but then I did see the WPC map was an estimate so I yanked that misconception, sorry. I do believe it takes a period of time from front passage for temps mixing down to the surface. No you're all good, it was worth mentioning. I even pulled out my Atmospheric Dynamics notebook and textbook to read up again on fronts quickly and apply it to the current obs/situation. Temp is dropping here, albeit slowly. Now 42 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 MDT just had a gust to 45. Already down to 21 here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Isn't the issue we're discussing that the front passage here in PA isn't the "main" instigator but rather it is the bombing out as it moves east? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Newman said: No you're all good, it was worth mentioning. I even pulled out my Atmospheric Dynamics notebook and textbook to read up again on fronts quickly and apply it to the current obs/situation. Temp is dropping here, albeit slowly. Now 42 nerd alert! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, canderson said: Isn't the issue we're discussing that the front passage here in PA isn't the "main" instigator but rather it is the bombing out as it moves east? I was just enjoying the nerdy component of the discussion. That WPC map made it a bit confusing as it showed the front in the Lehigh Valley at 7AM. That seems to have been a bit quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, canderson said: nerd alert! Buy me a coke (or some coke, whatever) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mount Joy Snowman Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Where can we get 5-minute observations from the airport stations? As I recall the previous site I had been using wasn't allowing for 5-minute intervals anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, canderson said: nerd alert! I'm a met student! Can't help it. Will have my red tag in a few short months when I graduate Except I won't be around the area anymore heading to grad school, but will still try to engage in the subforum when I can 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mount Joy Snowman said: Where can we get 5-minute observations from the airport stations? As I recall the previous site I had been using wasn't allowing for 5-minute intervals anymore. https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=Kmdt You can change the last 3 letters to any station....LNS, MUI, THV, etc. (for anyone else seeing this link, I know you know that). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Newman said: I'm a met student! Can't help it. Will have my red tag in a few short months when I graduate Except I won't be around the area anymore heading to grad school, but will still try to engage in the subforum when I can Congratulations! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Newman said: I'm a met student! Can't help it. Will have my red tag in a few short months when I graduate Except I won't be around the area anymore heading to grad school, but will still try to engage in the subforum when I can That’s awesome - congrats! Know where you’re headed yet? Also gust to 46 just now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Newman said: No you're all good, it was worth mentioning. I even pulled out my Atmospheric Dynamics notebook and textbook to read up again on fronts quickly and apply it to the current obs/situation. Temp is dropping here, albeit slowly. Now 42 Good Luck with your next chapter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Starting the changeover. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, canderson said: That’s awesome - congrats! Know where you’re headed yet? Also gust to 46 just now. My top 3 schools are University of Alaska Fairbanks, Wyoming, and Utah. So places that get real snow and winter! lol Check out the loop here, you can see some sort of wave riding up along the front making it's way north. That's what the HRRR and NAM are showing as our changeover to snow. https://weather.cod.edu/satrad/?parms=subregional-Mid_Atlantic-comp_radar-24-1-100-1&checked=map&colorbar=undefined 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, paweather said: Starting the changeover. Congratulations- what will your new name be? Oh sorry you meant from rain to snow! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jns2183 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 First gust to 30. Going to be a long 48 hours. How steep is your insurance? You lose more shingles in a year than people lose in camp hill per decade. . Pro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itstrainingtime Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 My only amateur thought on the front - it's 38.6 here. Down 16 degrees since 3am. So if the front hasn't cleared here, something has caused a rather large temp drop already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, canderson said: Congratulations- what will your new name be? Oh sorry you meant from rain to snow! LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
717Weather Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Peaked at 53.6 last night around 3am. Down to 37.9 and dropping rather quickly at the moment. 32mph largest gust so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mount Joy Snowman Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Well one thing's for sure, it's looking like another epic lake effect event for the Buffalo area in the coming days. Man, they are having some start to the year up there. Winds ripping here now and temp finally down into the 30s. Game on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Snowing now. 36 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jns2183 said: How steep is your insurance? You lose more shingles in a year than people lose in camp hill per decade. . Pro I think it's more how high is my roof and how strong are the winds that funnel down into my house. I'd get a metal roof if not for the 2-3x the cost these days of asphalt shingles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Sounds like a hurricane outside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Seeing the wind chill advisories issued for South Florida is hilarious... "Very cold wind chills of 30 to 35F". Kidding aside, that's pretty cold for that region. Still 42 here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, canderson said: Sounds like a hurricane outside. I don’t want to lose power… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, Blizzard of 93 said: I don’t want to lose power… SAME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jns2183 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Seeing the wind chill advisories issued for South Florida is hilarious... "Very cold wind chills of 30 to 35F". Kidding aside, that's pretty cold for that region. Still 42 hereSo cold they are warning people about iguanas falling from trees causing injury and property damage. . Pro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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