George BM Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Forecast Discussion Sunday, December 25, 2022 1:00PM EST Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 5pm est, Dec 25, 2022 High Wind Warning in effect until 8am est, Dec 26, 2022 Wind Chill Warning in effect from 8pm est, Dec 25, 2022 until 10am est Dec 26, 2022 The next 36 to 48 hours will be very notable in the sensible weather department. An intense snow squall w/ occasional lightning associated with the arctic front is currently moving east through the Appalachian mountains at around 50 or so kts. Snow Squall Warnings are already in place extending from eastern WV to the I-95 corridor. With increased sunshine associated with the mid-level dryslot moving overhead surface temps ahead of the line have warmed up into the upper 30s/lower 40s while dewpoints remain relatively high in the mid/upper 20s across the DC and Baltimore metros. With the very steep environmental lapse-rates immediately ahead of the front a couple hundred j/kg of MLCAPE has developed. This combined with the extreme forcing along the front courtesy of the impressive dynamics associated with the shortwave through swinging through and strong deep-layer shear in place (especially considering the thermodynamics) may lead to even further intensification of this low-topped convection. Lots of areas in northern WV received a quick 1 to 3 inches of snow from this squall. While temperature east of the mountains are well above freezing even more extreme snowfall rates, owing to the increasing instability that the system is moving into, will offset the effects of initial melting and graupel mixed in with the snow so that snow totals are similar east of the mountains. Snow Squall Impacts: 1. Widespread severe wind gusts (55-65+ mph) will accompany this squall leading to scattered to numerous power outages and many downed trees. 2. Instantaneous snowfall rates of several inches per hour will lead to whiteout conditions w/ visibilities dropping to 100 feet or less at times. Snowfall amounts will total 1 to 3 inches w/ locally higher amounts possible. 3. Temperatures will rapidly fall from near 40F into the 20s in a matter of minutes leading to flash freeze conditions across the entire area as the system moves through. All of this will combine to make travel virtually impossible for a time. Use extreme caution and avoid travel until the squall has passed. Even then, use extreme caution with icy roadways and downed trees/powerlines. Other than wind and snow, the temperatures tonight and tomorrow will be the main story. West-northwesterly winds will remain very strong with sustained winds of 25 to 40mph and gusts to around 60mph through the evening and much of the night. Winds will still be gusting to around 45mph by dawn Monday morning. Meanwhile, temperatures will fall through the 10s and into the single-digits through the evening and overnight hours bottoming out in the lower single-digits in the urban corridor and southeast areas w/ lower negative single-digits well northwest and around 0F in the close-in NW suburbs. Wind chills will hover around 20 to 30F below zero across the Greater Metropolitan area throughout the overnight hours until dawn w/ windchills falling to as low as 35F below zero in far northwestern suburbs. Temperatures will only rise into the mid-10s or so during the afternoon with wind chills remaining around 0 to -5F with the still brisk though, by then, sub-advisory level winds. With diminishing winds and clear skies Monday night into Tuesday morning leading to decent enough radiational cooling conditions, temperatures may drop to as low as -5 to -10F in the coldest northwestern suburbs and valleys with temps probably remaining at or just above zero in urban areas and near the bay. Alerts: Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 5pm est, Dec 25, 2022 High Wind Warning in effect until 8am est, Dec 26, 2022 Wind Chill Warning in effect from 8pm est, Dec 25, 2022 until 10am est Dec 26, 2022 “Forecaster”: George BM 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Happy almost winter, weenies 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 It is time @WinterWxLuvr for the annual picture update 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWxLuvr Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, mappy said: It is time @WinterWxLuvr for the annual picture update Long overdue MG. I am pondering my picture. I have a couple of options still on the table lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 minute ago, WinterWxLuvr said: Long overdue MG. I am pondering my picture. I have a couple of options still on the table lol. Pfft I always wait until Dec 1. Pick something good! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I always debate changing mine but then I fear my posts would be completely ignored instead of the current 80% ignored 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbmclean Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 minute ago, H2O said: I always debate changing mine but then I fear my posts would be completely ignored instead of the current 80% ignored You changing your picture would be like my dad getting a nose ring; it would undermine the very foundations of my reality. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FXW176 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 20 minutes ago, H2O said: I always debate changing mine but then I fear my posts would be completely ignored instead of the current 99.999% ignored Fyp. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj2va Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Apparently a GFS upgrade went live the other day (16.3). I don’t understand most of this but it looks like they are saying it’ll fix snowfall amounts in marginal setups (among other upgrades). https://www.weather.gov/media/notification/pdf2/scn22-104_gfs.v16.3.0.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 7 hours ago, FXW176 said: Fyp. I was trying to be modest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Please make it happen. Probably the only way we can get rid of him. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdhokie Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 48 minutes ago, CAPE said: Please make it happen. Probably the only way we can get rid of him. I am really hoping for a redux of 2012 where they fired cam and won the SB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, mdhokie said: I am really hoping for a redux of 2012 where they fired cam and won the SB. Caldwell is available I believe.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldie 22 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Taking bets on who will be the first one to crack if an op run or ensemble run shows an unfavorable pattern? I have my eye on one individual make your own call 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, leesburg 04 said: Taking bets on who will be the first one to crack if an op run or ensemble run shows an unfavorable pattern? I have my eye on one individual make your own call I mentioned Miller B so probably at least one on edge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 22 minutes ago, leesburg 04 said: Taking bets on who will be the first one to crack if an op run or ensemble run shows an unfavorable pattern? I have my eye on one individual make your own call I'm out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolsheds Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Horrible misplay by the Canadian keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldie 22 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Lol starting to smell like waffles and syrup in the discussion thread lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Pimpernel Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 17 hours ago, George BM said: Forecast Discussion Sunday, December 25, 2022 1:00PM EST Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 5pm est, Dec 25, 2022 High Wind Warning in effect until 8am est, Dec 26, 2022 Wind Chill Warning in effect from 8pm est, Dec 25, 2022 until 10am est Dec 26, 2022 The next 36 to 48 hours will be very notable in the sensible weather department. An intense snow squall w/ occasional lightning associated with the arctic front is currently moving east through the Appalachian mountains at around 50 or so kts. Snow Squall Warnings are already in place extending from eastern WV to the I-95 corridor. With increased sunshine associated with the mid-level dryslot moving overhead surface temps ahead of the line have warmed up into the upper 30s/lower 40s while dewpoints remain relatively high in the mid/upper 20s across the DC and Baltimore metros. With the very steep environmental lapse-rates immediately ahead of the front a couple hundred j/kg of MLCAPE has developed. This combined with the extreme forcing along the front courtesy of the impressive dynamics associated with the shortwave through swinging through and strong deep-layer shear in place (especially considering the thermodynamics) may lead to even further intensification of this low-topped convection. Lots of areas in northern WV received a quick 1 to 3 inches of snow from this squall. While temperature east of the mountains are well above freezing even more extreme snowfall rates, owing to the increasing instability that the system is moving into, will offset the effects of initial melting and graupel mixed in with the snow so that snow totals are similar east of the mountains. Snow Squall Impacts: 1. Widespread severe wind gusts (55-65+ mph) will accompany this squall leading to scattered to numerous power outages and many downed trees. 2. Instantaneous snowfall rates of several inches per hour will lead to whiteout conditions w/ visibilities dropping to 100 feet or less at times. Snowfall amounts will total 1 to 3 inches w/ locally higher amounts possible. 3. Temperatures will rapidly fall from near 40F into the 20s in a matter of minutes leading to flash freeze conditions across the entire area as the system moves through. All of this will combine to make travel virtually impossible for a time. Use extreme caution and avoid travel until the squall has passed. Even then, use extreme caution with icy roadways and downed trees/powerlines. Other than wind and snow, the temperatures tonight and tomorrow will be the main story. West-northwesterly winds will remain very strong with sustained winds of 25 to 40mph and gusts to around 60mph through the evening and much of the night. Winds will still be gusting to around 45mph by dawn Monday morning. Meanwhile, temperatures will fall through the 10s and into the single-digits through the evening and overnight hours bottoming out in the lower single-digits in the urban corridor and southeast areas w/ lower negative single-digits well northwest and around 0F in the close-in NW suburbs. Wind chills will hover around 20 to 30F below zero across the Greater Metropolitan area throughout the overnight hours until dawn w/ windchills falling to as low as 35F below zero in far northwestern suburbs. Temperatures will only rise into the mid-10s or so during the afternoon with wind chills remaining around 0 to -5F with the still brisk though, by then, sub-advisory level winds. With diminishing winds and clear skies Monday night into Tuesday morning leading to decent enough radiational cooling conditions, temperatures may drop to as low as -5 to -10F in the coldest northwestern suburbs and valleys with temps probably remaining at or just above zero in urban areas and near the bay. Alerts: Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 5pm est, Dec 25, 2022 High Wind Warning in effect until 8am est, Dec 26, 2022 Wind Chill Warning in effect from 8pm est, Dec 25, 2022 until 10am est Dec 26, 2022 “Forecaster”: George BM This sounds surprisingly similar to what actually happened on Feb. 14, 2015! Strong cold front blasted through, a couple hours burst of snow that dropped a quick ~2" where I'm at...followed by strong winds and very cold! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Pimpernel Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 6 hours ago, CAPE said: I mentioned Miller B so probably at least one on edge. I'm a Miller B I'm a Miller B And I just can't ever snow on DC! (to the tune of the old Schoolhouse Rock song "I'm a Bill...") 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 3 hours ago, leesburg 04 said: Lol starting to smell like waffles and syrup in the discussion thread lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George BM Posted December 1, 2022 Author Share Posted December 1, 2022 42 minutes ago, Always in Zugzwang said: This sounds surprisingly similar to what actually happened on Feb. 14, 2015! Strong cold front blasted through, a couple hours burst of snow that dropped a quick ~2" where I'm at...followed by strong winds and very cold! The event IS based off of the V-Day 2015 snow squall... but a weenier version of it during the daylight hours... and on everyones favorite day of seeing snow. So yes... you wouldn't be wrong to say it's similar to that event. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 37 minutes ago, George BM said: The event IS based off of the V-Day 2015 snow squall... but a weenier version of it during the daylight hours... and on everyones favorite day of seeing snow. So yes... you wouldn't be wrong to say it's similar to that event. I LOVED that squall. Maybe the best rates I've ever seen(?) I remember being mesmerized by these wild rippling shadows cast on the ground by all that densely falling snow. I believe we've reminisced before and for some it was nbd but awesome here. The modest amount of snow really did its best to drift, too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Pimpernel Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 55 minutes ago, George BM said: The event IS based off of the V-Day 2015 snow squall... but a weenier version of it during the daylight hours... and on everyones favorite day of seeing snow. So yes... you wouldn't be wrong to say it's similar to that event. Ha! That's great! And true, it's the weenie version of the real thing (though the real one was pretty weenieish in itself)! 5 minutes ago, Kay said: I LOVED that squall. Maybe the best rates I've ever seen(?) I remember being mesmerized by these wild rippling shadows cast on the ground by all that densely falling snow. I believe we've reminisced before and for some it was nbd but awesome here. The modest amount of snow really did its best to drift, too. That still stands as my all-time favorite "minor" event around here. At least in part because of what it ushered in for the next 3-4 weeks. Here's a snow-encased tree after the snow ended and just as the winds were really picking up. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceFrederickWx Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I’ve been looking for a sell signal in the main thread, someone just called the 18z GFS a “dumpster fire”… might be time to exit my position already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 The GFS is the FTX of models 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldie 22 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Dumpster fires are sniffed out early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Balti Zen Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 We'll always have the exuberance of the long range thread Oct/Nov last week of Nov 2022 discussion pages. I will reserve a table at Maggiano's in Columbia for Nov. 2027 so we can gather and re-live it for the five year anniversary. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, North Balti Zen said: We'll always have the exuberance of the long range thread Oct/Nov last week of Nov 2022 discussion pages. I will reserve a table at Maggiano's in Columbia for Nov. 2027 so we can gather and re-live it for the five year anniversary. Make sure we get a nice bottle of merlot. 2022 will be a good year for whine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 The newbs are getting a tad panicky over how the pattern might have some unfavorable characteristic as it evolves. Don't we always get the perfect pattern in a Nina? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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