CPcantmeasuresnow Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: as you know I'm going with the lowest number for low records and the highest number for high records. As long as JFK remains below the record it's going to be historic, at 1.7" currently. Do you do the same for the high records? I believe LaGuardia recorded 81 or so inches in 1995/96, I’m sure Don or Chris could give us the exact figure, yet the 75.6 at Central Park the same season is considered the all time record. You can’t have one without the other. No offense intended, because there isn’t any, but of course no one cares what number you’re going with LOL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 9 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: Do you do the same for the high records? I believe LaGuardia recorded 81 or so inches in 1995/96, I’m sure Don or Chris could give us the exact figure, yet the 75.6 at Central Park the same season is considered the all time record. You can’t have one without the other. No offense intended, because there isn’t any, but of course no one cares what number you’re going with LOL. Yes 107 from LGA in 1966 for the record high! ugh January 1996 was severely undermeasured so that 81" figure from LGA is probably much more accurate, note the differences between LGA (27") vs Central Park (21"). This isn't new for Central Park, they also undermeasured PD2 2003 (26" at JFK vs 20" at Central Park), February 1983 (20"+ at both JFK and LGA, 18" at Central Park), February 1969 (20"+ at both LGA and JFK, 15" at Central Park), February 1961 (25" at JFK and 24" at LGA, while only 16" at Central Park.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 20 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Yes 107 from LGA in 1966 for the record high! ugh January 1996 was severely undermeasured so that 81" figure from LGA is probably much more accurate, note the differences between LGA (27") vs Central Park (21"). This isn't new for Central Park, they also undermeasured PD2 2003 (26" at JFK vs 20" at Central Park), February 1983 (20"+ at both JFK and LGA, 18" at Central Park), February 1969 (20"+ at both LGA and JFK, 15" at Central Park), February 1961 (25" at JFK and 24" at LGA, while only 16" at Central Park.) Trust me you’re talking to the guy that knows this story too well. I’ve had a weather forum name for over 20 years honoring their incompetence. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclab Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, LibertyBell said: Yes 107 from LGA in 1966 for the record high! ugh January 1996 was severely undermeasured so that 81" figure from LGA is probably much more accurate, note the differences between LGA (27") vs Central Park (21"). This isn't new for Central Park, they also undermeasured PD2 2003 (26" at JFK vs 20" at Central Park), February 1983 (20"+ at both JFK and LGA, 18" at Central Park), February 1969 (20"+ at both LGA and JFK, 15" at Central Park), February 1961 (25" at JFK and 24" at LGA, while only 16" at Central Park.) Good afternoon Liberty. I may have been tempted to check the CPK’s zoo keeper measurers driveway after the late night measurement. As always … 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I checked these out-- wild that the Northern Lights (and pink colored at that!) were visible as far south as Vernon, NJ and Erie, PA! I wonder what kind of camera settings are needed to capture these? Others in this list were from as far south as Missouri and Oklahoma! The best ones were of course from Scandanavia, the happiest place on Earth lol. https://spaceweathergallery2.com/index.php?&title=aurora&starting_point=0https://spaceweathergallery2.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=193381https://spaceweathergallery2.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=193317https://spaceweathergallery2.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=193266https://spaceweathergallery2.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=193125https://spaceweathergallery2.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=193290https://spaceweathergallery2.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=193535https://spaceweathergallery2.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=193525https://spaceweathergallery2.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=193514https://spaceweathergallery2.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=193511https://spaceweathergallery2.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=193510https://spaceweathergallery2.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=193492https://spaceweathergallery2.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=193316https://spaceweathergallery2.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=193487 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcanic Winter Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Nothing like good old-fashioned NJ ‘cookies n’ cream’ snowpiles. Just beautiful! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Volcanic Winter said: Nothing like good old-fashioned NJ ‘cookies n’ cream’ snowpiles. Just beautiful! I wonder what that tastes like Probably nothing like cookies and cream though it'll probably be crunchy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastalplainsnowman Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just occurred to me that we are coming up on the *30* year anniversary of the Storm of the Century. That's both ridiculous and scary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, coastalplainsnowman said: Just occurred to me that we are coming up on the *30* year anniversary of the Storm of the Century. That's both ridiculous and scary. I consider December 1992 to be the storm of the century, it had FAR greater impacts, the city was wrecked in the wake of that storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North and West Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just occurred to me that we are coming up on the *30* year anniversary of the Storm of the Century. That's both ridiculous and scary.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 On 3/1/2023 at 12:17 PM, CPcantmeasuresnow said: Do you do the same for the high records? I believe LaGuardia recorded 81 or so inches in 1995/96, I’m sure Don or Chris could give us the exact figure, yet the 75.6 at Central Park the same season is considered the all time record. You can’t have one without the other. No offense intended, because there isn’t any, but of course no one cares what number you’re going with LOL. LGA's record is 77.9" during winter 1995-96. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Smith Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 A general question, not aimed at any specific person, do you consider the Central Park snowfall "problem" to be lowball measurement or something more related to site problems in exposure to the full amount of snow that could fall on a wide open flat space? I know a park is supposed to be a wide open flat space but I gather they measure fairly close to some obstructions and there are trees around (albeit some are probably bare of leaves in snowfall months). I live in a snowy place so I am well acquainted with the large variations in snow depth after snowfalls around this rather small town, so I would imagine in NYC there would be considerable differences over small distances. Then also, what's the opinion on historical trends in this snowfall measurement problem? Could I assume that all NYC snowfall is 10 or 20 per cent below what actually fell, ever since the earliest days? The weather station was not in the park before 1920 from what I've read. If there has always been a similar problem then at least the historical record is useful since one case can be compared to another (both being in error by a similar percentage). If there's a trend in measurement problems, then that should be factored into any analysis. One optimistic way of looking at it, they have at least managed to measure 4500 inches of snow over 150 years, and that's 375 feet of snow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 8 hours ago, coastalplainsnowman said: Just occurred to me that we are coming up on the *30* year anniversary of the Storm of the Century. That's both ridiculous and scary. I know the impact was far beyond the snowfall amounts in NYC for that storm, but the 10.6 inches recorded doesn’t even place it in NYC’s Top 50 snowstorms, for inches fallen, of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 1 hour ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: I know the impact was far beyond the snowfall amounts in NYC for that storm, but the 10.6 inches recorded doesn’t even place it in NYC’s Top 50 snowstorms, for inches fallen, of all time. and it shouldn't. The biggest storm by far that season was the amazing December 1992 noreaster. That was the greatest storm I have seen in my entire life and had FAR more impact than any snowstorm that I've ever seen. March 1993 was 12 inches here and the last time we had double digits from a single storm in March but even had it been all snow it still would not have the enduring impact of December 1992 which changed entire coastlines forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Roger Smith said: A general question, not aimed at any specific person, do you consider the Central Park snowfall "problem" to be lowball measurement or something more related to site problems in exposure to the full amount of snow that could fall on a wide open flat space? I know a park is supposed to be a wide open flat space but I gather they measure fairly close to some obstructions and there are trees around (albeit some are probably bare of leaves in snowfall months). I live in a snowy place so I am well acquainted with the large variations in snow depth after snowfalls around this rather small town, so I would imagine in NYC there would be considerable differences over small distances. Then also, what's the opinion on historical trends in this snowfall measurement problem? Could I assume that all NYC snowfall is 10 or 20 per cent below what actually fell, ever since the earliest days? The weather station was not in the park before 1920 from what I've read. If there has always been a similar problem then at least the historical record is useful since one case can be compared to another (both being in error by a similar percentage). If there's a trend in measurement problems, then that should be factored into any analysis. One optimistic way of looking at it, they have at least managed to measure 4500 inches of snow over 150 years, and that's 375 feet of snow. they cant even measure temperature or wind properly there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Stormlover74 said: Warnings hoisted again for this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said: Warnings hoisted again for this weekend. amazing how long I-80 is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasiluvsnow Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 My local forecast for tonight = " Rain, sleet and snow in the evening, then rain and sleet after midnight. Snow and sleet accumulation around an inch. Lows in the mid 30s. East winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCG RS Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 4 hours ago, IrishRob17 said: Warnings hoisted again for this weekend. I would not want to be in charge of that response. Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, USCG RS said: I would not want to be in charge of that response. Nope. I'm a rail buff too, it's been quite a week for the Union Pacific up and over Donner Pass. Here is a link from Truckee which has less snow than further up the Pass, they are forecasted for only 1-2 feet in Truckee but possibly up to 5 more feet higher up: http://tahoetopia.com/webcam/downtown-truckee 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Star Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Seems a little hopeless clinging to a > 10 day forecast in March, where any of the previous 10 day outlooks never panned out... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 What the prolonged near total absence of snow does to those in the Middle Atlantic forums of AmericanWx (New York City, Philadelphia, Mid-Atlantic). That the map could disappear with the next run is irrelevant: 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclab Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 2 hours ago, donsutherland1 said: What the prolonged near total absence of snow does to those in the Middle Atlantic forums of AmericanWx (New York City, Philadelphia, Mid-Atlantic). That the map could disappear with the next run is irrelevant: Good afternoon Don. Three Mets. ?????? As Always …. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Following today's elimination of the extended range major snowstorm on the models, some rules that seem to apply to Winter 2022-2023 are below: 6 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 this is what they took from us 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcanic Winter Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 2 hours ago, forkyfork said: this is what they took from us It’s okay Forky, maybe we just need to learn how to appreciate a good high qpf 45* rainstorm. @George001just mentioned how he appreciates a good windy rainstorm, maybe this dude is simply ahead of his time and a proper weenie of tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 16 hours ago, donsutherland1 said: What the prolonged near total absence of snow does to those in the Middle Atlantic forums of AmericanWx (New York City, Philadelphia, Mid-Atlantic). That the map could disappear with the next run is irrelevant: If simulated snow is the only snow we will get, might as well enjoy it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 6 hours ago, forkyfork said: this is what they took from us Was that snow or rain by JFK, it's hard to tell? Was this a triple phaser? And if I'm reading the map correctly, the light blue is for areas that got 10"+ and the deeper blue is for areas that received 20"+? If so SW Nassau was right at the 10" mark because it's right near the edge of the lighter blue. It's actually similar to the late February 2010 snowicane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 On 3/3/2023 at 10:19 AM, IrishRob17 said: I'm a rail buff too, it's been quite a week for the Union Pacific up and over Donner Pass. Here is a link from Truckee which has less snow than further up the Pass, they are forecasted for only 1-2 feet in Truckee but possibly up to 5 more feet higher up: http://tahoetopia.com/webcam/downtown-truckee Whiteout conditions there currently 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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