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December 2022 Medium/Long Range Pattern Discussion Thread


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Isn’t the precip shown for the 6 hours before (i e. not a snapshot representation  of that specific time).  Maybe the temperature map IS at that exact hour?  Just guessing here……..

It’s definitely the same hour. Couldn’t imagine having to subtract time from it.


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28 minutes ago, tnweathernut said:

Isn’t the precip shown for the 6 hours before (i e. not a snapshot representation  of that specific time).  Maybe the temperature map IS at that exact hour?  Just guessing here……..

You are right! These maps are very misunderstood and they always make storms look way better Than reality.  The precip map is a 3 hr averaged precip map. That's why it's so large of a precip shield when in reality it'll be abt a third that size.

the way I understand the Ptype is that it's an average. So if the bulk of it is rain it'll show as rain. 2hrs rain and 1 hr snow gives you a rain result.   Gfs maps are even worse because they are 6 hr averaged. Yuck.

 

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gfs radar at that exact time.

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The clipper on the 27th looks like it is legit, especially for middle TN.  It falls apart as it heads across the forum area which is not uncommon for a feature like that.  In NE TN we need clippers on a NW flow vs East/west, especially if modeled as weak as this one is currently.  Trend for many clippers is to lift north at the last minute.  Many will drop more snow than middles as a little precip goes a long way.  

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58 minutes ago, TellicoWx said:

0z RGEM with the little clipper that could lol

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Thanks for posting this.  If we can keep this from jogging north, this is the old school clipper that used to follow big storms.  If real, it wouldn't surprise me to see amounts higher as the ground is frozen and the air mass would support mega ratios.

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4 minutes ago, TellicoWx said:

12z 3k NAM... if you are a snow lover, this hurts. Decent clipper moving over, but virga due to very dry air at the surface.

 

That's a odd result. PWATs are about the same as they are over Missouri where 3-4 inches falls. The 700mb to below 850 is saturated per the sounding. The dry air is just above the surface up to about 3000 feet.

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MRX is now mentioning the clipper, but appears to be brushing it off as a non story.

In the upper levels, a potent short wave will move through the
region Monday and Monday night. Some snow flurries will be possible
mainly in the mountains. The best chance for a light snow shower
will be in the northern Cumberland Plateau counties and Lee and Wise
counties in Virginia. Little to no accumulation is expected with a
dry air mass in place.

 

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SWS out of Nashville...

...Accumulating Snowfall Possible Across Mid State on Monday...

A quick moving storm system will approach later tonight and move
across mid state region on Monday. Isolated to scattered snow
showers are expected with a possible change to light rain
showers across locations around and west of I-65 Corridor during
late afternoon hours as temperature rise above freezing. As
temperatures lower below freezing again during evening hours on
Monday night, isolated snow showers will continue before tapering
off from southwest to northeast as evening hours progress. Total
snowfall accumulations will range from less than a tenth of an
inch southwestern portions of mid state region to around one
quarter to around one half of an inch for locations around and
north of I-40, especially locations west of I-24. This may cause
some additional slick spots here or there on area roadways.
However,no significant widespread travel issues are expected as
of this time.
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Told ya'll not to sleep on that clipper.  WWAs up in eastern Arkansas, west TN, northern MS, and western KY.  Nearly every major cold shot for me as a kid had a clipper right behind it.

You we’re telling us to not give up on this clipper 4 or 5 days ago. It would be so ETn to have this clipper over perform considering what we were looking at 10 days ago.


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