bowtie` Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 KIND is showing 0.96 of rain yesterday. I have only 0.53 in my tippy bucket even though the radar estimates show I should be close to an inch also. Another one of those head-scratchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 The 2-day total of 1.12" rain at DTW was the 2nd highest of the year, behind only 1.29" during the Feb 17-18 rain/sleet/snowstorm. What a dry year it was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartman Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 Today is not only the end of 2022, but it begins with what looks to be a long overcast stretch that looks to be around by at least near the end of the first work of the new year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 According to Cromartie milwaukee is now DC. I guess DC better get ready for its cold records to fall like dominoes. Yikes. Sun angle increasing fast now too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baum Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 On 12/29/2022 at 12:50 PM, hardypalmguy said: Yup. MKE up to 57 and people refuse to talk about it lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 53 minutes ago, Baum said: Imagine if he lived in the balmy Mitten! There's a nursery with palm trees lining the front along Ford Rd. He should ditch SEWI and get somewhere he can really get behind, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 December is typically our cloudiest month in Detroit, but this December was even cloudier than normal. It's actually hard to get a cloudier month than this. The average sky cover at DTW was better than 9.3 out of 10. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 December finished -1.4 at ORD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 Overall, this Dec was the coldest/least warm for the sub since Dec 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 Overall, this Dec was the coldest/least warm for the sub since Dec 2017.one of the biggest december torches we’ve seen in years.. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 December finished -1.4 at ORD.+0.4 in MKE. Outside of a couple days around Christmas it was a torch month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 A graphic by a local station shows just how streaky temps were last month. Seventeen out of 31 days were above normal, but the bitter cold before Christmas drove us to below normal for the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 18 hours ago, hardypalmguy said: +0.4 in MKE. Outside of a couple days around Christmas it was a torch month. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartman Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 -0.4 for the month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestMichigan Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Sure didn't feel that snowy with the constant warms up that followed the larger snows. Also, interesting how Grand Rapids was below normal and Muskegon and Lansing had their 11th warmest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 On 1/1/2023 at 12:24 PM, Hoosier said: December finished -1.4 at ORD. This is comical. 30-40 years ago, Dec. 2022's average temp of 29.1F would have generated a departure of roughly +2 to +3...as ORD's normals have gone up significantly over the past generation. This was not a cold December. 23 days had highs of 30F+, and 14 days had highs of 40F+. That is not even close to being wintry...yet somehow it's a below normal month??? Just ridiculous in so many ways; this is Exhbiit A (among hundreds of other examples) of how bad our winter climo is. December has the shortest days of the year, yet almost half the days in Dec. 2022 were in the 40s or warmer. Besides the 3-4 cold days around Christmas, the rest of the month was a torch. I actually agree with cromartie on this one...probably for the first (and only) time in history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnOvechkin Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 40 minutes ago, beavis1729 said: This is comical. 30-40 years ago, Dec. 2022's average temp of 29.1F would have generated a departure of roughly +2 to +3...as ORD's normals have gone up significantly over the past generation. This was not a cold December. 23 days had highs of 30F+, and 14 days had highs of 40F+. That is not even close to being wintry...yet somehow it's a below normal month??? Just ridiculous in so many ways; this is Exhbiit A (among hundreds of other examples) of how bad our winter climo is. December has the shortest days of the year, yet almost half the days in Dec. 2022 were in the 40s or warmer. Besides the 3-4 cold days around Christmas, the rest of the month was a torch. I actually agree with cromartie on this one...probably for the first (and only) time in history. It was brutally cold for the entire last week of December. Literally as cold as it can get, for days on end. The short December days don't cause cold days in December - they cause the cold days of January-March. It's called seasonal temperature lag. And it's Meteorology 101. We just went through a sunspot cycle. It cycled towards warmth. Now it's going to cycle back towards cold weather. If you think that the average temperature between extremes is the "normal" temperature you're living in a fantasy world. That was a cold December. And for many of us, it snowed over and over again. I stopped counting a couple weeks ago when we hit 12 days with snowfall here in north-central Indiana. It's probably more like 15-16 now. And winter is, at a maximum, only 1/3 of the way through. Chill out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 2 hours ago, SnOvechkin said: It was brutally cold for the entire last week of December. Literally as cold as it can get, for days on end. The short December days don't cause cold days in December - they cause the cold days of January-March. It's called seasonal temperature lag. And it's Meteorology 101. We just went through a sunspot cycle. It cycled towards warmth. Now it's going to cycle back towards cold weather. If you think that the average temperature between extremes is the "normal" temperature you're living in a fantasy world. That was a cold December. And for many of us, it snowed over and over again. I stopped counting a couple weeks ago when we hit 12 days with snowfall here in north-central Indiana. It's probably more like 15-16 now. And winter is, at a maximum, only 1/3 of the way through. Chill out. We've had no more than 1" of snow on the ground here all winter. Maybe your location has had a bit more...but probably not enough to make a difference. I'm guessing you have no snow on the ground now, right? If so, then the 15-16 days of flakes in the air with little if any accumulation on each of those days doesn't really mean much. Flakes in the air are festive when there's already a foot of snow on the ground...but when the ground is bare, it doesn't really matter. In winter, days should be in the 20s and nights should be 5-15 degrees...and there should be snow on the ground. Not saying blizzards and sub-zero temps need to occur all the time...but when you look outside the window, it should look like winter. Very simple, and not too much to ask. And when you go outside, it should be cold. The warmest days should be in the 30s; day after day of 30s and 40s isn't winter. Just asking for seasons in seasons. In JJA, it feels and looks like summer. In DJF, it should feel and look like winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 21 minutes ago, beavis1729 said: In JJA, it feels and looks like summer. In DJF, it should feel and look like winter. Does it always feel like summer in JJA around Chicago though? A typical June will have at least a couple days with highs in the 60s in Chicago (and more than that the closer you are to the lake). That's not very summer-like. In July 2021, Chicago had 12 days with a high under 80, and one of those days had a high in the 60s! That's not very summer-like, especially when it's in the mid 70s or cooler. So I think you are overstating the look and feel of summer thing a bit. It's not some automatic guarantee to be that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, Hoosier said: Does it always feel like summer in JJA around Chicago though? A typical June will have at least a couple days with highs in the 60s in Chicago (and more than that the closer you are to the lake). That's not very summer-like. In July 2021, Chicago had 12 days with a high under 80, and one of those days had a high in the 60s! That's not very summer-like, especially when it's in the mid 70s or cooler. So I think you are overstating the look and feel of summer thing a bit. It's not some automatic guarantee to be that way. Maybe a bit…and it would be probably more accurate to say June 10th - September 10th due to the colder lake in the spring. But even on the fairly rare July day with a high temp cooler than 75F, it’s probably humid…which still makes it feel like summer. And the trees are obviously in full bloom…which to me is equivalent to having snow cover during winter. Even if you use a threshold of “85% of days feeling like summer”, we pretty much hit that every year…but it’s rare where we have 85% of days with snow cover in winter. Only 1978-79 comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Just now, beavis1729 said: Maybe a bit…and it would be probably more accurate to say June 10th - September 10th due to the colder lake. But even on the fairly rare July day with a high temp cooler than 75F, it’s probably humid…which still makes it feel like summer. And the trees are obviously in full bloom…which to me is equivalent to having snow cover during winter. lol, no to all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Chicago Storm said: lol, no to all of this. Why is it that, on a weather forum in a winter thread during the heart of winter, no one seems to care about the lack of wintry weather? Should we just post about whether it’s cloudy and 40 or sunny and 45? Does anyone else lament our lack of winter besides me?? What am I missing? Do people think it’s ok to have days on end of bare ground in the middle of winter? To each their own I guess…but then why post in a winter thread and annoy those who, heaven forbid, would like to enjoy this season for 3 months out of 12? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malacka11 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 The equivalent of trees being in bloom is trees not being in bloom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malacka11 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 1 minute ago, beavis1729 said: Why is it that, on a weather forum in a winter thread during the heart of winter, no one seems to care about the lack of wintry weather? Should we just post about whether it’s cloudy and 40 or sunny and 45? Does anyone else lament our lack of winter besides me?? What am I missing? Do people think it’s ok to have days on end of bare ground in the middle of winter? To each their own I guess…but then why post in a winter thread and annoy those who, heaven forbid, would like to enjoy this season for 3 months out of 12? I love snow probably just as much as you do but I'm getting the vibe that your concept of winter is based on Norway or some shit rather than what winter here actually is like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 3 hours ago, beavis1729 said: This is comical. 30-40 years ago, Dec. 2022's average temp of 29.1F would have generated a departure of roughly +2 to +3...as ORD's normals have gone up significantly over the past generation. This was not a cold December. 23 days had highs of 30F+, and 14 days had highs of 40F+. That is not even close to being wintry...yet somehow it's a below normal month??? Just ridiculous in so many ways; this is Exhbiit A (among hundreds of other examples) of how bad our winter climo is. December has the shortest days of the year, yet almost half the days in Dec. 2022 were in the 40s or warmer. Besides the 3-4 cold days around Christmas, the rest of the month was a torch. I actually agree with cromartie on this one...probably for the first (and only) time in history. 40 years ago, this December would be a departure of +0.3°. 80 years ago, this December would be a departure of -1.0°. At no point in Chicago's climate record would this December be +2-3°. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Malacka11 said: I love snow probably just as much as you do but I'm getting the vibe that your concept of winter is based on Norway or some shit rather than what winter here actually is like. I agree. I love snow as much more than anyone. And needless to say this Winter outside of Christmas week has been frustrating so far. Just saying I'm not happy with the current weather pattern is an understatement. Some ranting is definitely acceptable, but I just don't get the delusional concept of what is normal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 This winter is perfect so far outside that horrid cold week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 39 minutes ago, Malacka11 said: The equivalent of trees being in bloom is trees not being in bloom. Ha ha. It’s an emotional thing, not a logical equivalence. If you walk to a park on a summer day, what do you notice? Probably the fully leafed out trees, with the leaves swaying in the breeze. If you walk to a park in the winter (channeling Currier and Ives), do you think “oh great, the trees aren’t in bloom”? No - you imagine the picture postcard of snow on the ground. That’s the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malacka11 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, beavis1729 said: Ha ha. It’s an emotional thing, not a logical equivalence. If you walk to a park on a summer day, what do you notice? Probably the fully leafed out trees, with the leaves swaying in the breeze. If you walk to a park in the winter (channeling Currier and Ives), do you think “oh great, the trees aren’t in bloom”? No - you imagine the picture postcard of snow on the ground. That’s the difference. Yeah, that was silly of me. I really do agree with you insofar as I wish we had wall to wall snow and cold too. I just think I've convinced myself that it's not gonna happen unless I pack my bags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchaumburgStormer Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 19 hours ago, Malacka11 said: I love snow probably just as much as you do but I'm getting the vibe that your concept of winter is based on Norway or some shit rather than what winter here actually is like. Its sad that the highlights of the winter lately have been the Beavis snow meltdown, followed by this comment, followed by more complaining that Chicago's winter climo sucks. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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