EastonSN+ Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 1:22 PM, bluewave said: NYC has finished every La Niña season in last 30 years with under 20” of seasonal snowfall following a December with under 3”. It must be due to the snowy La Niña seasons having a nice early frontloaded snowfall period. December snowfall doesn’t matter as much in El Niño’s like 14-15 or neutral years like 12-13. Those have traditionally had better backloaded periods. Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2021-2022 0.0 T 0.2 15.3 2.0 0.4 0.0 17.9 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2020-2021 0.0 0.0 10.5 2.1 26.0 T 0.0 38.6 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2017-2018 0.0 T 7.7 11.2 4.9 11.6 5.5 40.9 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2016-2017 0.0 T 3.2 7.9 9.4 9.7 0.0 30.2 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2011-2012 2.9 0.0 0.0 4.3 0.2 0.0 0.0 7.4 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2010-2011 0.0 T 20.1 36.0 4.8 1.0 T 61.9 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2008-2009 0.0 T 6.0 9.0 4.3 8.3 T 27.6 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2007-2008 0.0 T 2.9 T 9.0 T 0.0 11.9 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2005-2006 0.0 T 9.7 2.0 26.9 1.3 0.1 40.0 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2000-2001 T 0.0 13.4 8.3 9.5 3.8 0.0 35.0 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 1999-2000 0.0 0.0 T 9.5 5.2 0.4 1.2 16.3 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 1998-1999 0.0 0.0 2.0 4.5 1.7 4.5 0.0 12.7 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 1995-1996 0.0 2.9 11.5 26.1 21.2 13.2 0.7 7 Expand Thanks, 08/09 caught my attention as NYC stayed under 30. Over here was 42, amazing what a difference a short distance makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I created a topic for today and tomorrow's storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 MJO phase 7 and 8? CFS weeklies flip us to a trough Jan 11. Probably following the MJO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 1:22 PM, bluewave said: NYC has finished every La Niña season in last 30 years with under 20” of seasonal snowfall following a December with under 3”. It must be due to the snowy La Niña seasons having a nice early frontloaded snowfall period. December snowfall doesn’t matter as much in El Niño’s like 14-15 or neutral years like 12-13. Those have traditionally had better backloaded periods. Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2021-2022 0.0 T 0.2 15.3 2.0 0.4 0.0 17.9 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2020-2021 0.0 0.0 10.5 2.1 26.0 T 0.0 38.6 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2017-2018 0.0 T 7.7 11.2 4.9 11.6 5.5 40.9 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2016-2017 0.0 T 3.2 7.9 9.4 9.7 0.0 30.2 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2011-2012 2.9 0.0 0.0 4.3 0.2 0.0 0.0 7.4 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2010-2011 0.0 T 20.1 36.0 4.8 1.0 T 61.9 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2008-2009 0.0 T 6.0 9.0 4.3 8.3 T 27.6 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2007-2008 0.0 T 2.9 T 9.0 T 0.0 11.9 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2005-2006 0.0 T 9.7 2.0 26.9 1.3 0.1 40.0 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 2000-2001 T 0.0 13.4 8.3 9.5 3.8 0.0 35.0 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 1999-2000 0.0 0.0 T 9.5 5.2 0.4 1.2 16.3 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 1998-1999 0.0 0.0 2.0 4.5 1.7 4.5 0.0 12.7 Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 1995-1996 0.0 2.9 11.5 26.1 21.2 13.2 0.7 7 Expand Brutal. Looks like another below avg snowfall winter with one or two storms at most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:00 PM, Allsnow said: Brutal. Looks like another below avg snowfall winter with one or two storms at most Expand We can get to normal easily with a big storm. That's the good thing about living on the coast. Although there are pros and cons. We need an El Nino 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcanic Winter Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 1:46 PM, EastonSN+ said: MJO phase 7 and 8? CFS weeklies flip us to a trough Jan 11. Probably following the MJO Expand Was just going to ask how things are looking after the torchy start to Jan, if there’s any favorable hints appearing. Been exceedingly busy with work right before Xmas and haven’t had much time to look at things. Really hoping January’s opening pattern is a temporary blip. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_other_guy Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:00 PM, Allsnow said: Brutal. Looks like another below avg snowfall winter with one or two storms at most Expand some of us have been talking about this for a couple of months after November warmth…and then derided for it. It’s not that weather knows what month it is… But there’s a beginning a middle, and an end to a season… and seasons that begin like this (especially La Niña seasons) dont usually end well. At this point, I would take the cold December and put it in your back pocket and smile. I know a good chunk of us got some snow last week. The mountains have had a pretty good December although they’re about to take a hit. This is just one of those Decembers where you have to take what you can get and not expect much for the winter ahead in terms of snow. Call me crazy, but I wonder if we cant eek out something in the more hostile pattern coming at the end of next week and into early Jan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:09 PM, the_other_guy said: some of us have been talking about this for a couple of months after November warmth…and then derided for it.Well. It’s not that weather knows what month it is… But there’s a beginning a middle, and an end to a season… and seasons that begin like this (especially La Niña seasons) dont usually end well. At this point, I would take the cold December and put it in your back pocket and smile. I know a good chunk of us got some snow last week. The mountains have had a pretty good December although they’re about to take a hit. This is just one of those Decembers where you have to take what you can get and not expect much for the winter ahead in terms of snow. Call me crazy, but I wonder if we cant eek out something in the more hostile pattern coming at the end of next week and into early Jan Expand I think it’s over after this week. Pv strengthening/mjo going ham and pac jet ext. reminds me of 19/20 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 1:14 PM, EastonSN+ said: Outside of 14/15 where central park waited till mid January, does anyone know the last time Central Park didn't have a measurable snowfall till January and still ended up above average snowfall? Expand 12/13 was a backend winter. We had the big Feb Blizzard here which delivered our yearly average in one day and then another monster in March--before Feb I think we had a few inches on the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Why are people jumping off buildings because the beginning of January looks above normal? We've seen a lot of backloaded Winters in recent years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:04 PM, MJO812 said: We can get to normal easily with a big storm. That's the good thing about living on the coast. Although there are pros and cons. We need an El Nino Expand We need an La/El Nothing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:09 PM, the_other_guy said: some of us have been talking about this for a couple of months after November warmth…and then derided for it. It’s not that weather knows what month it is… But there’s a beginning a middle, and an end to a season… and seasons that begin like this (especially La Niña seasons) dont usually end well. At this point, I would take the cold December and put it in your back pocket and smile. I know a good chunk of us got some snow last week. The mountains have had a pretty good December although they’re about to take a hit. This is just one of those Decembers where you have to take what you can get and not expect much for the winter ahead in terms of snow. Call me crazy, but I wonder if we cant eek out something in the more hostile pattern coming at the end of next week and into early Jan Expand Coldest climo coming up so we will likely get something but hopes for a big winter are slipping away.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 GFS THEATERS Inc. Always One Price/Always the same Flick/Four Showings per Day: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcanic Winter Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:12 PM, Allsnow said: I think it’s over after this week. Pv strengthening/mjo going ham and pac jet ext. reminds me of 19/20 Expand That’s very disheartening, 19/20 was the worst winter I can remember of recent years for me. All I remember of that one was near constant 50 degrees and rain. Yuck. Are we really seeing indications of a repeat of that right now, or are we just down on our luck? Dec at least was rather cold, are we really going to permanently reverse on that even considering blocking tends to be recurrent once it happens the first time? Any long range hints at the moment aren’t good, or? Then again, rather burnt out on day 11-15 cold signals… Lose / lose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:24 PM, Volcanic Winter said: That’s very disheartening, 19/20 was the worst winter I can remember of recent years for me. All I remember of that one was near constant 50 degrees and rain. Yuck. Are we really seeing indications of a repeat of that right now, or are we just down on our luck? Dec at least was rather cold, are we really going to permanently reverse on that even considering blocking tends to be recurrent once it happens the first time? Expand 19/20 had blocking in December which produced a major sne snowstorm first week of the month. It broke down and we never got into a better pattern after that. To start January 20 we hit 70 which is likely this year as well 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:27 PM, Allsnow said: 19/20 had blocking in December which produced a major sne snowstorm first week of the month. It broke down and we never got into a better pattern after that. To start January 20 we hit 70 which is likely this year as well Expand No one is forecasting the end of winter after this week. It's also foolish to give up on winter with 3 months to go. As we saw with this storm , long range outputs are a joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:12 PM, Allsnow said: I think it’s over after this week. Pv strengthening/mjo going ham and pac jet ext. reminds me of 19/20 Expand A winter that changed the world, and one I'd like to forget. I do like to see a snow storm or two, but this winter has dud written all over it. Glad I sold off a snowblower before it became obvious it won't be needed. In our area, this kind of pattern can leave us with nothing but a few flurries or dustings. Maybe some sleet. For the entire winter. Keeps the snow haters, of which there are many, happy at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:27 PM, Allsnow said: 19/20 had blocking in December which produced a major sne snowstorm first week of the month. It broke down and we never got into a better pattern after that. To start January 20 we hit 70 which is likely this year as well Expand yep it sucked-was mostly warm and snowless outside of one storm around 1/20 or so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:34 PM, MJO812 said: No one is forecasting the end of winter after this week. It's also foolish to give up on winter with 3 months to go. As we saw with this storm , long range outputs are a joke. Expand Enjoy the warm weather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcanic Winter Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:34 PM, weatherpruf said: A winter that changed the world, and one I'd like to forget. I do like to see a snow storm or two, but this winter has dud written all over it. Glad I sold off a snowblower before it became obvious it won't be needed. In our area, this kind of pattern can leave us with nothing but a few flurries or dustings. Maybe some sleet. For the entire winter. Keeps the snow haters, of which there are many, happy at least. Expand It’s interesting because Dec was well set up minus the lack of snow; all that separated us from decent snowfall was trough placement being too far west. Likely without the insane NA SST’s we’d be celebrating an epic Dec and ready to write off the warm start to Jan, no? Just seems like Dec was more of a near miss considering all factors, but I certainly understand if the medium range prognostication is unfavorable. Really trying my best to retain some positivity. We’re due for some favorable luck to break our way for a change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:17 PM, Brian5671 said: 12/13 was a backend winter. We had the big Feb Blizzard here which delivered our yearly average in one day and then another monster in March--before Feb I think we had a few inches on the year Expand Yeah but we did have a snow event in December 2012. Was minor like this years but I think Central Park had at least an inch in 12 where while we scored this year here in coastal CT (1.5 so far), Central Park had been skunked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:44 PM, EastonSN+ said: Yeah but we did have a snow event in December 2012. Was minor like this years but I think Central Park had at least an inch in 12 where while we scored this year here in coastal CT (1.5 so far), Central Park had been skunked. Expand Plus the November storm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 It's the second day of Winter. Prime snowfall season at the coast just started and will last till around Presidents Day. We will have plenty of opportunities in January February and likely even March. If the beginning of July looked cool would people be canceling Summer? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:12 PM, Allsnow said: I think it’s over after this week. Pv strengthening/mjo going ham and pac jet ext. reminds me of 19/20 Expand I think that's ridiculously premature to declare. Most of our snow comes from a couple storms which is very possible Jan 15 - March 30. We'll know by mid Jan what the future might bring and if it looks shitty with no improvement in sight then I'll give it to you. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:47 PM, Stormlover74 said: Plus the November storm Expand I keep forgetting that one! One thing that drives me insane is when people say November snowstorms equal bad snowfall winters. 12/13, 02/03, 95/96 were all above average snowfall winters with November snowstorms. 18/19, 11/12 (October) and 87/88 we're below average. Seems equal to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:52 PM, EastonSN+ said: I keep forgetting that one! One thing that drives me insane is when people say November snowstorms equal bad snowfall winters. 12/13, 02/03, 95/96 were all above average snowfall winters with November snowstorms. 18/19, 11/12 (October) and 87/88 we're below average. Seems equal to me. Expand We were still in the dark from sandy so I don't remember much about that one except freezing my ass off in front of the fireplace Nov 02 had a snowstorm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:52 PM, SnoSki14 said: I think that's ridiculously premature to declare. Most of our snow comes from a couple storms which is very possible Jan 15 - March 30. We'll know by mid Jan what the future might bring and if it looks shitty with no improvement in sight then I'll give it to you. Expand We will be waiting a while for that vortex to move out of Ak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 2:55 PM, Allsnow said: We will be waiting a while for that vortex to move out of Ak. Expand I doubt it stays there very long. This is not 2011/12 where it's parked all winter. The pessimism is a little much. If it's a ratter then so be it but declaring winter over when it barely started is silly imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 3:00 PM, SnoSki14 said: I doubt it stays there very long. This is not 2011/12 where it's parked all winter. The pessimism is a little much. If it's a ratter then so be it but declaring winter over when it barely started is silly imo. Expand It is and we know one or two storms can bring us to normal. I haven't heard anyone else declare winter over yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 9 years ago the warmth was on with 71 degree record high in EWR (2013) and NYC (park), 68 at New Brunswick: and 33 years ago it was very cold down to single digits (1989) in the area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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