RogueWaves Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 11 hours ago, Harry said: The total ( yesterday now included ) is 21.7! November total is 24.5! Friday is the only day that would have qualified going by the observer reporting. Saturday evening/night is a tough call because with that wind it really was whiteout conditions. But yeah I get your point and I agree just this one was a little different. My issue was how badly they low balled the forecasted amounts especially with a warning flying which made it a really big head scratcher? Never once did I ever see the final total forecast come in over 8 here yet 20+ fell. Hell 10-12+ Friday alone across BC. Worse is how much they try to sweep it under the rug with those bs maps and not showing the total which is very news worthy ( record breaking ) but yeah the very news worthy = a bad look on them.. Which is a constant theme with this office especially when it involves the lake and this area. Guessing you mean "text"? P sure I saw a map with BC in the 8-12 range. Congrats on the record event and personal biggest btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Snow totals: https://kamala.cod.edu/ny/latest.nous41.KBUF.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowtie` Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 lol that the airport only got 36.6" and that would be a crippling amount, but it looks small potatoes to the 80" total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, bowtie` said: lol that the airport only got 36.6" and that would be a crippling amount, but it looks small potatoes to the 80" total. That's a wide distribution of totals for a LES event. Over 75 miles north to south got 2'+ of snow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Brian D said: Inexperienced staff. Not used to the weather there. Not sure how often staff rotates, but even up here that can happen. I've literally emailed them at times to give a little advice with the lake. What I've seen over the years. Example: Last winter there was a long fetch from the NE coming from open water there across a nearly ice filled head of the lake. They had snow totals forecast around the head of the lake very low. Sent an email that evening letting them know that the snow would come much harder with all that ice keeping temps really cold, and so causing the moisture to precip out much quicker, and stronger than they were anticipating. The next morning, they up the totals more, but still low balled it for the downtown/west Duluth area that gets hit hard on conditions like that. Models can only give so much at times. Experience with lakes helps lots. Most of the same people have been working at this office for well over a decade. I think only two have switched. A busted forecast happens especially with the lake stuff but how they address it is another issue. Many here will tell you it's been a issue for a long time. Nine out of ten times when they screw up it's the counties along i94 especially east of 131 which I really wish they would quit using as a cut off line when it comes to lake effect. Unsure about 131 north of Grand Rapids but unless it's a nnw or more northerly flow that snow is going further east then that highway south of Grand Rapids. And typically earlier in the season the higher totals tend to be along and east of that highway. The warmer lake water temps has a bit to do with that I suspect? I and others have emailed them over the years but to no avail.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 2 hours ago, RogueWaves said: Guessing you mean "text"? P sure I saw a map with BC in the 8-12 range. Congrats on the record event and personal biggest btw Yeah that map is way off. No totals mentioned for here or Kalamazoo for that matter in the text. Total there was 24. That map is close to what they drew up prior to the event with what they were expecting.. Ofcourse who knows maybe they are not good with maps? May not know exact location of places? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 57 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: That's a wide distribution of totals for a LES event. Over 75 miles north to south got 2'+ of snow. Helps to have such high rates. It doesn't have to spend a lot of total time in a particular area to start talking 2 feet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 6 hours ago, Hoosier said: Helps to have such high rates. It doesn't have to spend a lot of total time in a particular area to start talking 2 feet. An epic event! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: An epic event! I just can't imagine trying to clear that wow Think I would end up needing another heart surgery.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Harry said: I just can't imagine trying to clear that wow Think I would end up needing another heart surgery.. lol I shoveled for about 12 hours to clear my driveway and would consider myself in very good shape. The snowblower did not work at all, just too much snow and too wet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 If I lived in Buffalo I'd buy one of those snow cats they had in The Shining. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestMichigan Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 GRR with one of the best descriptions I have seen in regards to why inland areas did better than the usual west of US-131 areas. I can attest to the snow pellets. We had a lot of that vs. the snow flakes seen farther inland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 13 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said: I shoveled for about 12 hours to clear my driveway and would consider myself in very good shape. The snowblower did not work at all, just too much snow and too wet. I wonder how many people had cardiac arrest over this. Scary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 9 hours ago, WestMichigan said: GRR with one of the best descriptions I have seen in regards to why inland areas did better than the usual west of US-131 areas. I can attest to the snow pellets. We had a lot of that vs. the snow flakes seen farther inland. Yeah that was well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 10 hours ago, WestMichigan said: GRR with one of the best descriptions I have seen in regards to why inland areas did better than the usual west of US-131 areas. I can attest to the snow pellets. We had a lot of that vs. the snow flakes seen farther inland. Very nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Squalls at work from Saturday 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 15 hours ago, Stebo said: Squalls at work from Saturday Wondering why they didn't use the new Squall Warning headline? Seemed like the perfect opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, RogueWaves said: Wondering why they didn't use the new Squall Warning headline? Seemed like the perfect opportunity. It wasn't a sudden onset but gradual. That is probably why. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Did a core sample today. 20” snow depth left, 5” SWE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/21/2022 at 2:44 PM, Harry said: Yeah that map is way off. No totals mentioned for here or Kalamazoo for that matter in the text. Total there was 24. That map is close to what they drew up prior to the event with what they were expecting.. Ofcourse who knows maybe they are not good with maps? May not know exact location of places? I was wrong. Initial forecast map from GRR only showed 6-8" for BC and Kzoo thru Friday with a mention of additional accum's Sat night/Sunday. If they issued a later map for both rounds I didn't catch that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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