GaWx Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 The models are pretty much unanimous on a complex storm system forming this weekend in the NE Caribbean or the SW Atlantic, which could then move NW to the SE US next week per model consensus. Subtropical and/or tropical cyclone development is very possible, if not likely. Thus, this could conceivably have a significant effect on SE US weather, especially near the Atlantic coast, on Election Day. This is from the 2PM TWO: 1. Southwestern Atlantic: A complex, non-tropical area of low pressure is expected to develop this weekend over the northeastern Caribbean Sea or the southwestern Atlantic. Some slow subtropical or tropical development of this system is possible afterward while it moves generally northward to northwestward through early next week. * Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent. * Formation chance through 5 days...low...20 percent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted November 3, 2022 Author Share Posted November 3, 2022 The 18Z GEFS is still another run that suggests significant effects (rain and wind) quite possible over E FL on US Election Day, something that could reduce turnout. Reduction % in turnout due to wx tends to not be equal for all sides. Thus it could have a significant effect on the outcome of close races. I looked back every two years to see if there were any previous US Election Days marred by an Atlantic basin tropical or subtropical cyclone. I found none affecting the lower 48 states. But I did find 1984's TS Klaus (see link below) that directly affected PR on Election Day (11/6). So, this system could make history in the lower 48 as very likely the first Atlantic TC or STC affecting a portion on Election Day. 1984's Klaus track is here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Nothing crazy but some 6Z ECEN support GFS 6Z means seems to bring heaviest rain near the coast after Election Day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 From NWS Charleston, SC: gales and moderate to major coastal flooding possible Mon-Wed for SC/GA and this may occur even if there is no actual STC or TC: TIDES/COASTAL FLOODING ASTRONOMICAL TIDE LEVELS ARE RISING AS FULL MOON ON NOVEMBER 8TH APPROACHES. ADDITIONALLY, PERSISTENT MODERATE TO STRONG NORTHEAST WINDS WILL CAUSE TIDAL ANAMOLIES TO INCREASE. BY EARLY NEXT WEEK AN EVEN STRONGER NORTHEAST FLOW COULD PRODUCE SUBSTANTIAL ANOMALIES THAT MAY RESULT IN MODERATE TO MAJOR COASTAL FLOODING AT THE CHARLESTON HARBOR TIDE GAUGE. COASTAL FLOODING COULD BEGIN TODAY ALONG COASTAL CHARLESTON AND COLLETON COUNTIES AND AS EARLY AS SATURDAY EVENING FOR THE FAR SOUTHERN SOUTH CAROLINA AND MUCH OF THE GEORGIA COAST. THE MORE SIGNIFICANT TIDE LEVELS COULD BEGIN AS EARLY AS MONDAY EVENING AND CONTINUE THROUGH WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY. A SERIES OF COASTAL FLOOD ADVISORIES AND POSSIBLY COASTAL FLOOD WATCHES/WARNINGS MAY WILL BE NEEDED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 23 hours ago, Ed, snow and hurricane fan said: Nothing crazy but some 6Z ECEN support GFS 6Z means seems to bring heaviest rain near the coast after Election Day. Gfs hits florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 Beside the just noted 12Z GFS landfalling at Jupiter, FL, late Thursday with a H, the 12Z CMC and UKMET both have a NW moving TS centered near Cape Canaveral at hour 144 (Thursday morning). Here is the 12Z UKMET: NEW TROPICAL CYCLONE FORECAST TO DEVELOP AFTER 90 HOURS FORECAST POSITION AT T+ 90 : 26.1N 71.5W LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS) -------------- ---- -------- ------------- ------------- 1200UTC 08.11.2022 96 26.0N 72.6W 1007 32 0000UTC 09.11.2022 108 25.3N 74.0W 1007 35 1200UTC 09.11.2022 120 26.2N 75.1W 1006 39 0000UTC 10.11.2022 132 27.0N 78.1W 1004 40 1200UTC 10.11.2022 144 28.5N 80.8W 1003 42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbenedet Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 The weather pattern over the eastern CONUS over the next 7 days looks like it will be way above normal for early November. The tenor will look more like early October. As a result, I say whatever does develop has a much higher chance of being purely tropical. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, jbenedet said: The weather pattern over the eastern CONUS over the next 7 days looks like it will be way above normal for early November. The tenor will look more like early October. As a result, I say whatever does develop has a much higher chance of being purely tropical. Well to the W of the SC, but HOU 80sF temp/70sF DPs is more like October or early June than November. Post 'front', temps still forecast in the 80s. GFS has this briefly symmetric and warm core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 2 hours ago, jbenedet said: The weather pattern over the eastern CONUS over the next 7 days looks like it will be way above normal for early November. The tenor will look more like early October. As a result, I say whatever does develop has a much higher chance of being purely tropical. Model consensus is forecasting 500 mb heights that are as high as 2.5 SD above the mean for early November in the NE US Wednesday night. That is equivalent to saying 500 mb hts that are at the 99% percentile meaning hts that high or higher in early November there happen only 1% of the time. With that strong of a high to the north, the SW Atlantic/Bahamas/SE US is in a highly unusual pattern for early November as regards tropical potential. With only 8 TCs having formed since 1851 in the SW Atlantic Nov 1-10 (see link below) and considering this highly anomalous pattern, there's not much historical track data/climo to utilize to predict what will happen. So even though none of those 8 SW Atlantic originating TCs hit the US, that doesn't mean much in this very unusual pattern: https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/climo/images/nov_1_10.png If we incorporate the current SW Atlantic SSTs, we get even further from normal early Nov tropical potential. They're currently 28 to 29 C (82-84 F), which is ~1C/2F warmer than the normal and near the normal for mid October (normal found here): https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gifs/SST/AL_10_OCT_1971-2000_RSST.gif Along with this very strong H5 ridge to the north and warm SSTAs, 200 mb wind speeds are forecasted to plunge well below normal early to mid next week in the SW Atlantic. So, shear may become unusually light then. Considering all of the above, the NHC has quite a challenge and will make forecasting discussions quite interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsman Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Wonder if NASA's gonna roll Artemis back to the VAB. Launch is scheduled for early morning on Monday the 14th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normandy Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Extremely anomalous setup with a westward moving TC strike on Florida in November Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 The 12Z UKMET, which as mentioned has a TS hitting Cape Canaveral at 144 moving NW, has at 168 a still well organized low S of Macon, GA, moving N. At that time, it's rain shield expands greatly with moderate to heavy rains all of the way from the NE GOM to Atlanta to SW PA, east to DC, and south to most of VA and NC. This is ahead of a rapidly SEward moving strong cold front that extends from Ohio to TX. If it ends up playing out similarly, this could end up a major event for much of the E US. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normandy Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 I like a solution of getting close to FL and then getting shoved NE-NNE. Strong front coming in to sweep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olafminesaw Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 It's pretty simple really...the GFS is on crack. A fairly weak low tracking across Florida, into the gulf, bringing areas of heavy rain, makes the most sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptcatz Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, olafminesaw said: It's pretty simple really...the GFS is on crack. A fairly weak low tracking across Florida, into the gulf, bringing areas of heavy rain, makes the most sense. All year GFS and Euro have been meeting half way. Now with GFS showing 982mb and Euro showing 1006mb, mark my words here that it will be 994mb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 18z GFS even stronger now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 29 minutes ago, ineedsnow said: 18z GFS even stronger now Trough picks it up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 Now up to 50% in the 5 day: 8PM TWO Southwestern Atlantic: A large non-tropical low pressure system is expected to develop across the northeastern Caribbean Sea and southwestern Atlantic by the latter part of the weekend. The system is initially expected to be very broad and disorganized. However, it could begin to acquire subtropical or tropical characteristics during the early part of next week, and a subtropical or tropical depression could form during the early to middle portion of next week while the system moves generally westward to west-northwestward over the southwestern Atlantic. Regardless of development, there is an increasing risk of coastal flooding, gale-force winds, heavy rainfall, rough surf, and beach erosion along much of the southeastern United States coast, the Florida east coast, and portions of the central and northwestern Bahamas during the early to middle part of next week. * Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent. * Formation chance through 5 days...medium...50 percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROOSTA Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 GFS 18z: Looks tropical, looks like it has an eye. The worst-case scenario for East Central Florida. Thankfully a week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StantonParkHoya Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 53 minutes ago, ROOSTA said: GFS 18z: Looks tropical, looks like it has an eye. The worst-case scenario for East Central Florida. Thankfully a week out. I can think of a lot worse case scenarios. This is a TS at best. More likely a sub trop deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptcatz Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 ^I suppose a 977mb storm would be the worst case scenario for a mid-November sloppy subtropical system... Anyways, the ensembles are just as bullish as the GFS operational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboLeader1 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Op GFS has backed down a lot on intensity, but it looks like something is going to happen. ECENS not as enthusiastic, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 37 minutes ago, Ed, snow and hurricane fan said: Op GFS has backed down a lot on intensity, but it looks like something is going to happen. ECENS not as enthusiastic, of course. Not this run 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbenedet Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 The +3SD H5 Ridge that builds over the eastern CONUS going to keep this south, with a west heading, Miami dade county to keys looks most interesting, then into the gulf before next H5 trough picks it up north. GEFS and EPS in strong agreement on this, general outcome. Sell the other guidance tracking this north into the SE coast. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted November 5, 2022 Author Share Posted November 5, 2022 Tropical Weather Outlook NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL 200 PM EDT Sat Nov 5 2022 1. Southwestern Atlantic: A trough of low pressure located over the eastern Caribbean Sea is producing a large area of disorganized showers and thunderstorms. The trough is forecast to move northward over the southwestern Atlantic by Sunday, where a broad area of low pressure is expected to form north of Hispaniola. Environmental conditions are forecast to be conducive for gradual development, and a subtropical or tropical depression could form during the early part of next week while the system moves generally westward to west-northwestward over the southwestern Atlantic. Regardless of development, there is an increasing risk of coastal flooding, gale-force winds, heavy rainfall, rough surf, and beach erosion along much of the southeastern United States coast, the Florida east coast, and portions of the central and northwestern Bahamas during the early to middle part of next week. The disturbance is also expected to bring locally heavy rainfall to Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands this weekend. Interests in those areas should monitor the progress of this system. * Formation chance through 48 hours...medium...40 percent. * Formation chance through 5 days...high...70 percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Akeem the African Dream Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 should be a pretty decent coastal flooding event here imho 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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