CoastalWx Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 26 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: 93 shut down Lakes region Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Really? We would have a 5 page thread for that icing lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 hours ago, dendrite said: 29° and -ZR. If anyone is heading up here this morning be careful. The vehicles are glazed up already. I’m not sure if they’ve treated the roads this morning or if there’s any residual salt left from the snow a week or so back. Aww crap. We are headed down that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Snowing above about 2,000ft this morning. Up at 3000-4000ft is mid-winter vibes still. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Really? It’s a mess. 106 and 104 closed in spots too. Dozens off the road and on their roofs. Salt the fucking roads. We do this every year with the first glazing event. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowcrazed71 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 38 minutes ago, Go Kart Mozart said: I dunno. I'm in SWCT, climatologically not much different than EWR, and here's the view from my kitchen window this morning: Crazy , right. Have you seen the velociraptor running through yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Just now, dendrite said: It’s a mess. 106 and 104 closed in spots too. Dozens off the road and on their roofs. Salt the fucking roads. We do this every year with the first glazing event. Yikes. I told my folks to go tomorrow. I wasn’t aware it was supposed to be icy there. I’m sure it was forecasted though. I don’t get why this happens all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Just now, CoastalWx said: Yikes. I told my folks to go tomorrow. I wasn’t aware it was supposed to be icy there. I’m sure it was forecasted though. I don’t get why this happens all the time. It was a thin overcast when I woke up at 4am with mid 20s. With precip moving in I knew it was going to be a problem. It’s black Friday and a ton of people are going out. They need to be more on top of this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Just now, STILL N OF PIKE said: Why are you sure it was forecast there was no winter weather advisory to well after frozen precip hit the pavement . On back Friday that is a questionable .. forecast unless I maybe missing something I’m just assuming it was caught by the meteorologists. I haven’t looked at anything for two days so I have no idea, but maybe my assumption is wrong? If there was no advisory out, then yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Anomaly renditions also aren’t helping perceptions there I think. I mean at least a little… Some users see ‘warm’ tones and it’s not inspiring or triggering the dopamine. Heh. But I suspect we’re going to find more so going forward over the decades that it’s more about the geometric structure than it is about anomaly colorization pallets because thats going to be biased in the warm tones so long as it’s being compared to last century etc and CC is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, CoastalWx said: I’m just assuming it was caught by the meteorologists. I haven’t looked at anything for two days so I have no idea, but maybe my assumption is wrong? If there was no advisory out, then yikes. I deleted my comment bc im not sure how the folks that treat the roads make their decisions but it’s 2022 on Black Friday and there needs to be much more common sense forecasting or at least coordinating with highway treatment. There were no advisory issued in the overnite update when it’s was clear would be minor icing bc the Qpf was too low to qualify . A advisory was issued at i think 830 after the ...issues. so i don’t know if DOT gets their info from NOAA Or private forecasts but if NOAA they seem to benefit from **another winter advisory specific to minor ice on highways** or just act of the abundance of caution book for early am commutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 minute ago, CoastalWx said: I’m just assuming it was caught by the meteorologists. I haven’t looked at anything for two days so I have no idea, but maybe my assumption is wrong? If there was no advisory out, then yikes. Not sure when the WWA was put out. I see 809a on the text. Idk what DOT uses or how long it takes them to reach decisions and respond. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, ORH_wxman said: Also I think people get freaked out by the H5 maps on the EPS. They have a little more SE ridging than the GEFS but it’s still a cold pattern This H5 pattern Produces this temperature anomaly… Anytime the PV is camped out over Hudson's Bay, SNE is good to go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, dendrite said: Not sure when the WWA was put out. I see 809a on the text. Idk what DOT uses or how long it takes them to reach decisions and respond. Early morning disco noted many had radiated into 20’s and precip was approaching and that it was worrisome but no advisory till 8.. i mean I’m sure there was little ice accumulation but umm the roads were still skating rinks from minor glaze but I mean the roads obviously needed treatment and warning flashing weather signs to alter the public on Black Friday bueller Given the short duration and light QPF...there is little ice accumulation forecast besides some higher elevations...so no headlines are anticipated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 That was Chris so I will defer to him. It’s just always a mess up here on that first glazer when there’s been no treatment to the roads since the prior season…even with just a few tenths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Precip looks like just enough moved in perhaps ahead of even short term modeling and in situ CAD over-performed, So a bad luck combo to a degree as well . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FXWX Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 53 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said: I deleted my comment bc im not sure how the folks that treat the roads make their decisions but it’s 2022 on Black Friday and there needs to be much more common sense forecasting or at least coordinating with highway treatment. There were no advisory issued in the overnite update when it’s was clear would be minor icing bc the Qpf was too low to qualify . A advisory was issued at i think 830 after the ...issues. so i don’t know if DOT gets their info from NOAA Or private forecasts but if NOAA they seem to benefit from **another winter advisory specific to minor ice on highways** since people drive cars and it doesn’t matter if .10 or .25 accretion isn’t met to make roads unsafe and need treatment and alert public Just my 2 cents... I deal with some DOT crews, none in that area. Some have private mets, not all. I find the range of how proactive the person in charge of sending crews out is can vary from incredibly proactive (pretreating when there is even a very minimal threat) to very laid back and not wanting to pretreat or send crews out until they actually get calls of trouble from state or local police reports. The private Mets don't make the call, the decision is always with the DOT supervisor. I can tell you from experience that can be maddening. No matter what the NWS issues, the call is the supervisor's to make. I can't tell you how many times I've recommended pre-treatments and heard comments about budgets or the desire to wait until police call! On the other hand I have clients that pre-treat at any hint of an issue. Of course then they get calls for wasting money from the public.... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, FXWX said: Just my 2 cents... I deal with some DOT crews, none in that area. Some have private mets, not all. I find the range of how proactive the person in charge of sending crews out is can vary from incredibly proactive (pretreating when there is even a very minimal threat) to very laid back and not wanting to pretreat or send crews out until they actually get calls of trouble from state or local police reports. The private Mets don't make the call, the decision is always with the DOT supervisor. I can tell you from experience that can be maddening. No matter what the NWS issues, the call is the supervisor's to make. I can't tell you how many times I've recommended pre-treatments and heard comments about budgets or the desire to wait until police call! On the other hand I have clients that pre-treat at any hint of an issue. Of course then they get calls for wasting money from the public.... Seems to make sense . I may not have articulated it well but I was more critical of DOT and what gets them moving . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 I would hope they always defer to the side of safety. People whine about taxes etc but if they are hurt or worse in an accident due to DOTs not having the $$$ they will be the ones who sue. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Up to 33.6° When do Pope’s record highs arrive? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, dendrite said: Up to 33.6° When do Pope’s record highs arrive? I was just wondering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FXWX Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 35 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said: Seems to make sense . I may not have articulated it well but I was more critical of DOT and what gets them moving . I agree... I'm not absolving anyone from blame... Sometimes it's a combination of issues, poor forecast decision, lack of threat awareness, or bad decision making process... That's why I love the overly cautious DOT groups... Obviously something was wrong with how it was handled this morning in Dendrite's area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahk_webstah Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 3 hours ago, ORH_wxman said: Also I think people get freaked out by the H5 maps on the EPS. They have a little more SE ridging than the GEFS but it’s still a cold pattern This H5 pattern Produces this temperature anomaly… Bs and clippers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahk_webstah Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 hours ago, CoastalWx said: Yikes. I told my folks to go tomorrow. I wasn’t aware it was supposed to be icy there. I’m sure it was forecasted though. I don’t get why this happens all the time. No advisory despite concern being mentioned in the middle of the night discussion at GYX. Since you would want to give people a heads up before they walk out of the house while it’s still dark and don’t realize there’s ice everywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, mahk_webstah said: Bs and clippers Love me a juiced clipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahk_webstah Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Just now, WxWatcher007 said: Love me a juiced clipper Especially one that slows down as it develops. Clippers and Bs are basically the same thing when they slow down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 4 hours ago, CoastalWx said: Yeah it’s always been after 12/5. Not sure why that is difficult for some to understand. "Usually" works better for most of NNE and for the mountains and far north, an earlier date would be proper. IP/ZR mix (mostly IP) reached here shortly before 9:30 with mid 20s, now all ZR and temp above 30 and climbing slowly. I imagine secondary roads are messy and our 4/10-mile gravel road is probably an ice rink as it's not been treated yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, FXWX said: I agree... I'm not absolving anyone from blame... Sometimes it's a combination of issues, poor forecast decision, lack of threat awareness, or bad decision making process... That's why I love the overly cautious DOT groups... Obviously something was wrong with how it was handled this morning in Dendrite's area. I used to do DOT forecasts all the time….and I had the same experience. It varies greatly by town. Some town DOTs want to know about every flake of frozen precip that falls and others are like “meh, if I can’t plow it or it’s not an epic ice storm, I don’t really care”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: I used to do DOT forecasts all the time….and I had the same experience. It varies greatly by town. Some town DOTs want to know about every flake of frozen precip that falls and others are like “meh, if I can’t plow it or it’s not an epic ice storm, I don’t really care”. Which seems crazy to me because it’s the minor events that cause the most car collisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FXWX Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 27 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: I used to do DOT forecasts all the time….and I had the same experience. It varies greatly by town. Some town DOTs want to know about every flake of frozen precip that falls and others are like “meh, if I can’t plow it or it’s not an epic ice storm, I don’t really care”. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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