nwohweather Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffaloWeather said: That is one hell of a high pressure to the north of this storm. Odd situation where you’ve got the 540 line all the way into Michigan and a tropical system barreling towards it. To tell you the truth the Euro shows a legit CAD setup with a cold high 50s rain with this puppy inland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, hawkeye_wx said: Wanted: A core Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csnavywx Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, hawkeye_wx said: Looks either elongated or like there may be another center south of the initial wind shift area. Mid-level center is more apparent on satellite as being SW. Still displaced. Convection is a lot better but until we get some clarity on which area becomes dominant, track is going to be up in the air. The far left and right side of the envelope most likely result in a strong hurricane landfall. Fast and up the center result in a shredded system under 40-60kt of vertical shear. Cross sections clearly showing those solutions to result in a classic, textbook case of rapid eyewall collapse. It speeds up and makes landfall to the right before shear can tear it apart or slows down to the left before it reaches the hostile area and decelerates as the trough pulls away. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotair Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Center fix for Ian now is a full degree further north than the center fix from this morning's recon. Neither of these fixes were assimilated into 12z guidance, so any model trends prior to 00z tonight probably should be taken with a grain of sand 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotair Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Near term Ian recon flight schedule for those who may be interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StantonParkHoya Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 You can feel the wishcasting on here based on which side of the coin people chime in with 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotair Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 000 WTNT34 KNHC 241752 TCPAT4 BULLETIN Tropical Storm Ian Intermediate Advisory Number 6A NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL092022 200 PM EDT Sat Sep 24 2022 ...IAN EXPECTED TO RAPIDLY STRENGTHEN LATER THIS WEEKEND... SUMMARY OF 200 PM EDT...1800 UTC...INFORMATION ---------------------------------------------- LOCATION...14.2N 75.8W ABOUT 270 MI...435 KM SSE OF KINGSTON JAMAICA ABOUT 505 MI...810 KM SE OF GRAND CAYMAN MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...45 MPH...75 KM/H PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 260 DEGREES AT 16 MPH...26 KM/H MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1003 MB...29.62 INCHES WATCHES AND WARNINGS -------------------- CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY: The government of the Cayman Islands has upgraded the Hurricane Watch to a Hurricane Warning for Grand Cayman, and has changed the Hurricane Watch to a Tropical Storm Watch for Little Cayman and Cayman Brac. SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT: A Hurricane Warning is in effect for... * Grand Cayman A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect for... * Jamaica * Little Cayman and Cayman Brac A Hurricane Warning means that hurricane conditions are expected somewhere within the warning area. A warning is typically issued 36 hours before the anticipated first occurrence of tropical-storm-force winds, conditions that make outside preparations difficult or dangerous. Preparations to protect life and property should be rushed to completion. A Tropical Storm Watch means that tropical storm conditions are possible within the watch area, generally within 48 hours. Interests in western and central Cuba, the Florida Keys, and the Florida peninsula should monitor the progress of Ian. For storm information specific to your area, please monitor products issued by your national meteorological service. DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK ---------------------- At 200 PM EDT (1800 UTC), the center of Tropical Storm Ian was located near latitude 14.2 North, longitude 75.8 West. Ian is moving toward the west near 16 mph (26 km/h), and this general motion is expected to continue through tonight. A turn toward the northwest is forecast on Sunday, followed by a north-northwestward turn on Monday and a northward motion on Tuesday. On the forecast track, the center of Ian is forecast to pass southwest of Jamaica on Sunday, and pass near the Cayman Islands Sunday night and early Monday. Ian will then approach western Cuba late Monday and emerge over the southeastern Gulf of Mexico on Tuesday. Maximum sustained winds remain near 45 mph (75 km/h) with higher gusts. Significant strengthening is forecast during the next few days. Ian is expected to become a hurricane late Sunday or Sunday night and could be at or near major hurricane strength late Monday when it approaches western Cuba. Tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 60 miles (95 km) from the center. The estimated minimum central pressure is 1003 mb (29.62 inches). HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND ---------------------- Key messages for Ian can be found in the Tropical Cyclone Discussion under AWIPS header MIATCDAT4 and WMO header WTNT44 KNHC and on the web at hurricanes.gov/text/MIATCDAT4.shtml. WIND: Hurricane conditions are expected to reach Grand Cayman by early Monday, with tropical storm conditions expected by Sunday night. Tropical storm conditions are possible on Jamaica by Sunday, and on Little Cayman and Cayman Brac by Sunday night. RAINFALL: Ian is expected to produce the following rainfall: Southern Haiti and southern Dominican Republic: 2 to 4 inches, with local maxima up to 6 inches Jamaica and the Cayman Islands: 4 to 8 inches, with local maxima up to 12 inches Western to central Cuba: 6 to 10 inches, with local maxima up to 14 inches Florida Keys and south Florida: 1 to 3 inches, with local maxima up to 5 inches through Tuesday morning These rains may produce flash flooding and mudslides in areas of higher terrain, particularly over Jamaica and Cuba. Flash and urban flooding is possible with rainfall across the Florida Keys and the Florida peninsula through mid next week. Additional flooding and rises on area streams and rivers across Florida cannot be ruled out through next week given already saturated antecedent conditions. STORM SURGE: Storm surge could raise water levels by as much as 2 to 4 feet above normal tide levels along the immediate coast in areas of onshore winds in the Cayman Islands Sunday night into Monday. Localized coastal flooding is possible along the coast of Jamaica in areas of onshore winds on Sunday. SURF: Swells generated by Ian will begin affecting Jamaica and the Cayman Islands on Sunday and spread westward to Cuba by Monday. These swells are likely to cause life-threatening surf and rip current conditions. Please consult products from your local weather office. NEXT ADVISORY ------------- Next complete advisory at 500 PM EDT. $$ Forecaster Reinhart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Seeing no west winds to the south of the center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GaWx Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 12Z Euro 24 slightly SW of 6Z at 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotair Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 000 WTNT44 KNHC 241454 TCDAT4 Tropical Storm Ian Discussion Number 6 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL092022 1100 AM EDT Sat Sep 24 2022 Ian still has an asymmetric appearance in satellite imagery this morning, with most of the deep convection located over the western portion of the circulation. Tail Doppler radar and dropsonde data from a NOAA Hurricane Hunter aircraft indicate the cyclone is still vertically tilted, with the low- to mid-level center displaced to the south of the surface center. This structure is likely a product of the northerly shear that has affected the cyclone since genesis. The aircraft reported 700-mb flight-level winds of 43 kt and SFMR retrievals slightly above 35 kt, which supports keeping the initial intensity at 40 kt for this advisory. The initial motion is a bit south of due west at 260/13 kt. A generally westward motion is expected through tonight as the cyclone is steered by a narrow ridge to its north. Ian is forecast to turn northwestward on Sunday and north-northwestward on Monday as it moves across the northwestern Caribbean Sea around the periphery of the ridge. The NHC track forecast during this period has been adjusted slightly south and west of the previous one, in line with the track consensus aids. Beyond 72 h, there is still a large amount of cross-track spread in the guidance as Ian emerges into the eastern Gulf of Mexico and approaches Florida. Hopefully, data collected from special radiosonde releases beginning later today and a scheduled NOAA G-IV flight will help resolve the steering flow around Ian and deep-layer trough that is forecast to be over the eastern U.S. early next week. The guidance envelope has once again shifted westward this cycle, and the official NHC track forecast has been adjusted in this direction as well, though it still lies slightly to the east of the TVCA and HCCA aids. Further adjustments to the track forecast may be needed given the increased uncertainty in the day 3-5 period. Ian is moving into a lower shear environment over very warm waters, and it should not take long for the system to shed its tilted structure and develop an inner core. Once that occurs, significant to rapid intensification is expected while Ian crosses the northwestern Caribbean Sea. The intensity guidance unanimously supports strengthening during the next several days, and the SHIPS-RII probabilities indicate a 67 percent chance of a 65-kt intensity increase in 72 h. Therefore, the NHC track forecast has been raised from the previous one, showing Ian becoming a hurricane by late Sunday and approaching western Cuba at or near major hurricane strength by Monday night. Limited land interaction is expected as the cyclone quickly passes over western Cuba, and Ian is forecast to be a major hurricane over the eastern Gulf of Mexico on Tuesday and Wednesday as it approaches the west coast of Florida. Key Messages: 1. Ian is expected to produce heavy rainfall, flash flooding, and possible mudslides in areas of higher terrain, particularly over Jamaica and Cuba. Limited flash and urban flooding is possible with rainfall across the Florida Keys and Florida peninsula through mid next week. 2. Hurricane conditions are possible in the Cayman Islands by early Monday, with tropical storm conditions possible by late Sunday. Tropical storm conditions are possible in Jamaica on Sunday. 3. Ian is forecast to move near or over western Cuba and approach the west coast of the Florida peninsula at or near major hurricane strength early next week, where there is increasing confidence in multiple life-threatening hazards: storm surge, hurricane-force winds and rainfall flooding. While it is too soon to determine the exact magnitude and location of these hazards, residents in Cuba, the Florida Keys, and the Florida peninsula should ensure they have their hurricane plan in place, follow any advice given by local officials, and closely monitor updates to the forecast. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 24/1500Z 14.4N 75.2W 40 KT 45 MPH 12H 25/0000Z 14.5N 76.8W 45 KT 50 MPH 24H 25/1200Z 15.5N 78.9W 55 KT 65 MPH 36H 26/0000Z 17.0N 80.7W 70 KT 80 MPH 48H 26/1200Z 18.8N 82.3W 85 KT 100 MPH 60H 27/0000Z 20.7N 83.4W 95 KT 110 MPH 72H 27/1200Z 22.7N 84.1W 100 KT 115 MPH 96H 28/1200Z 26.0N 83.9W 105 KT 120 MPH 120H 29/1200Z 28.6N 82.9W 95 KT 110 MPH $$ Forecaster Reinhart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugalou Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 1 hour ago, MattPetrulli said: Something of note also, GFS trending a little lesser with the dry air the more west it goes That's because its all about the strength of the trof in the NE. If the trof is stronger and digs more its going to advect more CP dry air southward while making Ian go further east. If the trof is weaker and digs less there is going to be less dry air advected south and less steering influence on Ian (and the ridge to the NW of Ian pulls it more westward). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 12Z Euro 48 only very slightly SW of 6Z run at 54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Recon just found another weak surface center/wind shift down below 13ºN. It's a bit of a mess at the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwx Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, hawkeye_wx said: Recon just found another weak surface center down below 13ºN. It's a bit of a mess at the surface. That’s associated with the old mid level center. I’ll assume the mid and low level centers will focus around 14.3N since that’s where the convection is generating the most PV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 This 12 Euro 72 is barely NW of 6Z at 78. Essentially the same location as 6Z run then. Headed for Tampa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porsche Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wncsnow Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Tampa inbound this run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPetrulli Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Tampa landfall Thursday morning on 12z Euro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porsche Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Looks to be strengthening upon landfall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 The HWRF shows landfall E of Panama City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 The Euro still has rapid deepening on approach, at least until the last few hours. It turns nne toward landfall just before the dry air rushing in from the nw can get into the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPetrulli Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, SnowGoose69 said: The HWRF shows landfall E of Panama City As a high Cat 2/low Cat 3 too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPAwx Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Nightmare fuel, tho thankfully can’t treat with any confidence this far out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotair Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Folks. Keep in mind that Euro handles convection differently from GFS Once these models are fed a stable dominant center then we can start to take them more seriously GFS and Euro 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 This run barely makes it to the coast before curving back north along the coast. If it trends any farther west it will remain over water, like other models are showing, and weaken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptcatz Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 I mean is this even a cyclone? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthHillsWx Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, cptcatz said: I mean is this even a cyclone? Not based on this recon run 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, cptcatz said: I mean is this even a cyclone? Recon is finding only weak slop at the surface, certainly no well-defined center... a good reason why models are not ramping up the organization til Sunday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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