SnowGoose69 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, jm1220 said: 2002 was a dry/hot summer and 2002-03 was a very good winter but it was also a moderate Nino, this will almost certainly be another Nina. So I think many other factors will determine how good quality the winter will be. Yeah there doesn’t seem to be a huge correlation. 88 95 99 were all dry and those winters were snowless, very snowy, snowless respectively and all La Niñas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 0.0" again 0.30" for August 0.78" since July 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANDA Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, TWCCraig said: 0.0" again 0.30" for August 0.78" since July 1st Feel bad for you. Those are horrendous totals. Have to wonder how far back do you have to go to get anything like that? My totals are good compared to yours. .09" 1.49" 3.84" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Not much correlation between a top 10 driest July and August at Islip and snowfall the following season. But you can see why the lawns are so brown. Rare combination of warmest and driest June and July on record. Time Series Summary for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Total Precipitation Jul 1 to Aug 31 Snowfall for the following season 1 2022-08-31 1.94 ? 2 2005-08-31 2.35 36.0 3 1972-08-31 2.45 4.5 4 1966-08-31 2.91 52.4 5 2015-08-31 3.22 41.4 6 1980-08-31 3.41 20.8 7 1968-08-31 3.51 43.5 8 1998-08-31 3.53 19.4 - 1974-08-31 3.53 14.5 9 1993-08-31 3.58 37.0 10 1981-08-31 3.76 35.4 Time Series Summary for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Mean Avg Temperature Jul 1 to Aug 31 Missing Count 1 2022-08-31 77.4 1 2 2016-08-31 77.1 0 3 2020-08-31 76.5 0 4 2018-08-31 76.1 0 - 2010-08-31 76.1 0 5 1980-08-31 76.0 0 6 2019-08-31 75.9 0 - 2011-08-31 75.9 0 7 1999-08-31 75.8 0 8 2015-08-31 75.7 0 9 2005-08-31 75.6 0 10 1998-08-31 75.5 0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 the past few years have removed any confidence i had in using enso for seasonal forecasting 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 We had one day in July with about 3 inches of rain. Outside of that I don't think we've had more than .25 in one event since a big rainfall on 6/27/22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 2 hours ago, jm1220 said: 2002 was a dry/hot summer and 2002-03 was a very good winter but it was also a moderate Nino, this will almost certainly be another Nina. So I think many other factors will determine how good quality the winter will be. I'm not sure the standard ENSO state applies anymore. There's been a disconnect for several seasons now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said: I'm not sure the standard ENSO state applies anymore. There's been a disconnect for several seasons now There are so many marine heatwaves that they compete with each other and have often overridden the ENSO signal unless it’s strong. The N Atlantic right now screams +NAO because of the cooler water near Greenland and warm water off the East Coast and Canada, but much of our weather is defined by the Pacific. Hopefully we can finally get out from this Nina background state and develop a good STJ for the winter, that will probably make it better for us vs relying on Miller B storms and +AO often forcing unfavorable tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 The last day of August is averaging 78(70/86) or +5. Month to date is 79.4[+3.3]. August should end at 79.3[+3.3]. The first 10 days of September are averaging 78(70/86) +5 or +6. Reached 84 here yesterday. Today: 81-86, wind w., variable clouds. 72*(92*RH) at 7am 79*(60%RH) at Noon. 81*(52%RH) at 2pm. 84*(40%RH) at 4pm. Reached 87*(34%RH) at 5pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleetussnow Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 36 minutes ago, jm1220 said: There are so many marine heatwaves that they compete with each other and have often overridden the ENSO signal unless it’s strong. The N Atlantic right now screams +NAO because of the cooler water near Greenland and warm water off the East Coast and Canada, but much of our weather is defined by the Pacific. Hopefully we can finally get out from this Nina background state and develop a good STJ for the winter, that will probably make it better for us vs relying on Miller B storms and +AO often forcing unfavorable tracks. Always prefer a favorable Pacific look myself. Tends to stick around and offer up more chances since the conditions can stick around awhile. No idea how we get out of this NINA state for the upcoming winter unless as you say other marine warmth anomalies alter things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdp146 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 .16 last night. That’s actually a lot more than I expected. .60 for the entire month of August 1.45 since July 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtd208 Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share Posted August 31, 2022 For June, July and August I had a total of 44 days at 90 or above. Pretty impressive. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 dewpoints plummeting here with the passage of the secondary front 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 New York City had a mean temperature of 79.4° in August, which was 3.3° above normal. Newark finished summer 2022 with a mean temperature of 79.2° (but was a few hundredths of a degree below the 1993 record). Above normal temperatures will likely continue through at least much of the first week of September. An intense heatwave that will continue into early September is under way in parts of the western U.S. and Canada. High temperatures today included: Boise: 106° (old record: 102°, 2004) ***latest 106° on record*** Burbank: 112° (old record: 108°, 2017) ***new all-time record*** Death Valley, CA: 123° Denver: 94° Salt Lake City: 102° (old record: 98°, 1950) Woodland Hills, CA: 112° (old record: 111°, 1998) Boise and Salt Lake City could see temperatures approach or reach September records. Death Valley will likely see multiple 120° or hotter days. In the 6 past cases when the June AO averaged +0.750 or above (1950-2021), 67% of the following August and September cases featured above normal temperatures. The August ECMWF forecast shows a warmer than normal September in the Northeast. This warmth would be consistent with the ongoing warming that has been occurring in September. On August 18, the SOI fell to -32.90. Since 1991, there were 8 cases when the SOI fell to -30 or below during the August 10-25 period. That outcome has often preceded a wetter than normal September in parts of the Northeast. Mean September rainfall figures for those 8 cases: Boston: 4.38" (normal: 3.55"); New York City: 5.08" (normal: 4.31"); and, Philadelphia: 5.12" (normal: 4.40"). Very wet years outnumbered very dry ones by a 2:1 ratio in Boston and 3:1 ratio in both New York City and Philadelphia. 63% of cases saw at least one day with 1" or more rainfall in Boston. 88% saw at least one day with 1" or more in New York City and Philadelphia. 50% of those cases saw at least one day with 2" or more daily rainfall in Philadelphia. In sum, the SOI may be offering a signal that there will be some drought relief for the northern Mid-Atlantic and southern New England regions in September. The recent passage of the MJO through Phase 2 at a very high amplitude (1.500 or above) during late August has introduced greater uncertainty. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -0.5°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -0.9°C for the week centered around August 24. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -0.72°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.93°C. La Niña conditions will likely persist through the fall. The SOI was +18.88 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was -1.471 today. On August 29 the MJO was in Phase 2 at an amplitude of 1.865 (RMM). The August 28-adjusted amplitude was 1.930 (RMM). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncat Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Final Aug/summer station stats....Aug was 2nd warmest since 1977 just behind 2016....Summer tied for 2nd warmest with 2020, behind 2010. Did wind up with 2.98" rain for Aug, so this summer finishes at 4th driest. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowlover11 Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 so second half of labor day weekend looking a little shitty. figures when most people(myself included) are going away for the last unofficial weekend of summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 39 minutes ago, Snowlover11 said: so second half of labor day weekend looking a little shitty. figures when most people(myself included) are going away for the last unofficial weekend of summer. models seems to be trending drier though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 If it wasn't for the 1st of August being below 80 degrees, ISP would currently have it's longest run of consecutive 80+ degree days at 63 days. August 2022 was the warmest August on record at ISP as well. Number of Consecutive Days Max Temperature >= 80 for Islip Area, NY (ThreadEx)Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Run Length Ending Date Period of record: 1963-09-05 to 2022-08-31 1 41 2010-08-11 2 33 2022-07-31 - 33 1966-07-29 4 30 2022-08-31 5 27 2019-07-22 6 25 1988-08-18 7 24 1995-08-05 8 22 2015-08-09 - 22 2012-07-18 - 22 1998-07-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfa Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Jun: 80.6/59.0 (69.8) - 4.88” July: 88.3/67.1 (77.8) - 3.72” Aug: 89.2/66.8 (78.0) - 2.00” Met Summer - 86.1/64.4 (75.3) - 10.60” I haven’t checked but I’m fairly certain that this was the warmest July and August for my PWS, which has been operational since 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxallannj Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 CLIFTON’S CLIMATE SUMMARY FOR AUGUST 2022 The average temperature for the month was 79.0 degrees which was well above normal and it was the warmest August since my records began in 1973. We had a record 17 days of 90 degrees or higher for the month. The highest temperature was 97 degrees set on the 4th, 8th and 9th. The lowest temperature was 60 on the 14th. It was the 10th driest August with only 1.93″ accumulating. Note: The period from August 21st through Sep 2nd only 1.14″ of rain this year while the same period last year we recorded 15.19″ of rain mainly due to Hurricanes Henri and Ida. CLIFTON’S CLIMATE SUMMARY FOR THE SUMMER MONTHS It was the 4th warmest summer since 1973 and the 7th driest. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 On 8/31/2022 at 9:38 AM, SnowGoose69 said: Yeah there doesn’t seem to be a huge correlation. 88 95 99 were all dry and those winters were snowless, very snowy, snowless respectively and all La Niñas the la nina after el nino connection is stronger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 On 8/31/2022 at 8:30 AM, jm1220 said: 2002 was a dry/hot summer and 2002-03 was a very good winter but it was also a moderate Nino, this will almost certainly be another Nina. So I think many other factors will determine how good quality the winter will be. I loved this summer I hope we get many more like this. Really tired of all the rainy buggy humid summers and it's so nice to get a dry/hot summer again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 On 8/31/2022 at 7:01 AM, bluewave said: Warmest summer and 2nd driest at Newark with a day to go. All our other stations are I the top 5 for warmth. With several also among the driest summers. So one of the most significant shutdowns of the tropics in the Atlantic which we heavily rely on for summer rainfall. The Plains drought ridge also played an important role. Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Mean Avg Temperature Missing Count 1 2022 79.2 1 - 1993 79.2 0 2 2010 78.7 0 3 1994 78.5 0 4 2021 78.3 0 5 2011 78.0 0 6 2005 77.8 0 7 1988 77.7 0 8 2020 77.6 0 - 2016 77.6 0 - 1973 77.6 0 9 1999 77.1 0 Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Jun through AugClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Total Precipitation Missing Count 1 1966 4.46 0 2 2022 4.87 1 3 1949 5.68 0 4 1957 5.69 0 5 1965 5.83 0 6 1963 6.18 0 7 1993 6.20 0 8 1953 6.47 0 9 2010 6.74 0 Remember what I said to you last Spring....I felt like we were going to turn the corner back towards dry summers and here we are. Looks like the AMO going towards its cool phase played a big part in this? It's going to be nice to get into more of an 80s to early 90s kind of summer pattern again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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