SACRUS Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Noon Roundup BLM: 91 ACY: 89 PHL: 89 EWR: 89 New Brnswck: 89 LGA: 88 TTN: 87 TEB: 85 NYC: 85 ISP: 84 JFK: 83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Hearing thunder from that morris county cell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 All the models now skunk the nyc/central nj area 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaistDeepSnow Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Add HPN too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 HRRR gets a line going but too late for most of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said: I ran the numbers against New Brunswick and Harrison. The outcomes are similar, but I excluded Harrison, as there were too many missing values in Harrison’s record vs. 2 for New Brunswick’s. There may be an error (assuming there is no other explanation for the recent decoupling shown below), but it’s probably far closer to 0.5 degrees-1 degree than 2-3 degrees. Other explanations are plausible, thus I use “may.” There have been times before the current heatwave when it seems like there may have been a +0.5 to +1 variance like you have shown. But over the last few weeks, Newark has been really close to the other usual warmest sites. We could probably make a case that the variance between Newark and other warm spots back in June was wider than usual. Comparing Newark to New Brunswick can be a challenge since the Rutgers station is much more suburban by comparison. As you mentioned, Harrison has gaps in the data. Plus the Newark climate period is 1991-2020. The temperature record at Harrison only goes back to 2000. Photos from New Brunswick station. https://www.njweather.org/station/1101 Station name: HARRISON State: NJ County: Hudson County (FIPS 34017) Climate Division: NORTHERN (NJ01) Station ids: 283704 (Coop) USC00283704 (GHCN) HSNN4 (NWS LI) Latitude: 40.7481 degrees Longitude: -74.1520 degrees Elevation: 24 feet Available date ranges: Max Temperature 2000-01-01 - 2022-07-25 Min Temperature 2000-01-01 - 2022-07-25 Precipitation 1997-01-01 - 2022-07-25 Snowfall 1997-01-01 - 2022-07-25 Snow Depth 1997-01-01 - 2022-07-25 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euripides Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Allsnow said: All the models now skunk the nyc/central nj area Sigh as sprinklers again this evening it is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Times to start watering…I don’t want to see another slight risk for my area ever again 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_other_guy Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Raining currently in Westchester. Northern areas should do okay with current storms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 31 minutes ago, bluewave said: There have been times before the current heatwave when it seems like there may have been a +0.5 to +1 variance like you have shown. But over the last few weeks, Newark has been really close to the other usual warmest sites. We could probably make a case that the variance between Newark and other warm spots back in June was wider than usual. Comparing Newark to New Brunswick can be a challenge since the Rutgers station is much more suburban by comparison. As you mentioned, Harrison has gaps in the data. Plus the Newark climate period is 1991-2020. The temperature record at Harrison only goes back to 2000. Photos from New Brunswick station. https://www.njweather.org/station/1101 Station name: HARRISON State: NJ County: Hudson County (FIPS 34017) Climate Division: NORTHERN (NJ01) Station ids: 283704 (Coop) USC00283704 (GHCN) HSNN4 (NWS LI) Latitude: 40.7481 degrees Longitude: -74.1520 degrees Elevation: 24 feet Available date ranges: Max Temperature 2000-01-01 - 2022-07-25 Min Temperature 2000-01-01 - 2022-07-25 Precipitation 1997-01-01 - 2022-07-25 Snowfall 1997-01-01 - 2022-07-25 Snow Depth 1997-01-01 - 2022-07-25 I agree. I don't think one can automatically assume that the record streak of 100s isn't accurate. If there's an error, it's much less than the 2-3 degrees speculated upon in the article. The prior two rises in error could well have been a function of predominant wind direction. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, bluewave said: Comparing Newark to New Brunswick can be a challenge since the Rutgers station is much more suburban by comparison. That's the key imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheManWithNoFace Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Where I am in Branchburg, my redbud and cherry are yellowing out. It looks like the moon surface 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPizz Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said: I agree. I don't think one can automatically assume that the record streak of 100s isn't accurate. If there's an error, it's much less than the 2-3 degrees speculated upon in the article. The prior to rises in error could well have been a function of predominant wind direction. New Brunswick several years back had issues with the site being too high (maybe 8 or 9 years ago?) that got fixed. Mt. Holly Mets on another board say Newark is 2-3 too high most days along with Philly. I believe they said Philly is being looked into, but they haven't had a chance for Newark yet. I'll go with what they say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPizz Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Just now, TheManWithNoFace said: Where I am in Branchburg, my redbud and cherry are yellowing out. It looks like the moon surface Yup, only .40" in town this month. Super dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 minute ago, FPizz said: New Brunswick several years back had issues with the site being too high (maybe 8 or 9 years ago?) that got fixed. Mt. Holly Mets on another board say Newark is 2-3 too high most days along with Philly. I believe they said Philly is being looked into, but they haven't had a chance for Newark yet. I'll go with what they say. They are likely using MADIS and MADIS is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 @FPizz can you please ask then their rationale behind saying that? I just want to understand where they are coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dWave Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Severe t storm warning for NE NJ, Manhattan, Bronx, Queens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, FPizz said: New Brunswick several years back had issues with the site being too high (maybe 8 or 9 years ago?) that got fixed. Mt. Holly Mets on another board say Newark is 2-3 too high most days along with Philly. I believe they said Philly is being looked into, but they haven't had a chance for Newark yet. I'll go with what they say. Yup….but for some reason it’s thrown out on this forum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, FPizz said: New Brunswick several years back had issues with the site being too high (maybe 8 or 9 years ago?) that got fixed. Mt. Holly Mets on another board say Newark is 2-3 too high most days along with Philly. I believe they said Philly is being looked into, but they haven't had a chance for Newark yet. I'll go with what they say. Saying this person said x on y board doesn’t help us out. We have the actual data from this heatwave. The 100s were widely recorded from Harrison back to Somerset County. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Just now, Allsnow said: Yup….but for some reason it’s thrown out on this forum We use evidence. There's variables in play and nuance to this discussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, bluewave said: Saying this person said x on y board doesn’t help us out. We have the actual data from this heatwave. The 100s were widely recorded from Harrison back to Somerset County. Somerset is a not the tarmac on 95, yet we throw Brunswick out because it’s a suburb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poker2015 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, TheManWithNoFace said: Where I am in Branchburg, my redbud and cherry are yellowing out. It looks like the moon surface Where in town are you? Behind my back fence is an area thats usually wet, looks like the moon too now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, bluewave said: Saying this person said x on y board doesn’t help us out. We have the actual data from this heatwave. The 100s were widely recorded from Harrison back to Somerset County. I respect the Mount Holly mets but I don't think they're using all the information available. In the end, our discussion isn't all that important but I still want accuracy. It does bother me greatly that NYC's climate statistics have been severely compromised for such a long period of time. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Somerset is a not the tarmac on 95, yet we throw Brunswick out because it’s a suburb I don't think anyone is tossing New Brunswick though. I think their numbers are accurate in 2022. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Somerset is a not the tarmac on 95, yet we throw Brunswick out because it’s a suburb Who is throwing out New Brunswick? The point is that the 100° heat wasn’t isolated to Newark over this current heatwave. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 37 minutes ago, SACRUS said: Noon Roundup BLM: 91 ACY: 89 PHL: 89 EWR: 89 New Brnswck: 89 LGA: 88 TTN: 87 TEB: 85 NYC: 85 ISP: 84 JFK: 83 Raining at ewr now. Might break the 90 streak if they didn’t do it between hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, FPizz said: New Brunswick several years back had issues with the site being too high (maybe 8 or 9 years ago?) that got fixed. Mt. Holly Mets on another board say Newark is 2-3 too high most days along with Philly. I believe they said Philly is being looked into, but they haven't had a chance for Newark yet. I'll go with what they say. Send them over to Central Park and TTN too. I think TTN has been a bit lower since 2016 as was TEB too high a few years back. PHL seems fairly stable. New Brunswick and Newark were in line this past week with previous distribution _(EWR 2-3 warmer) of heat wave readings from my view. If EWR was 2-3 to higher than usual, than New Brunswick would have been higher each day except Sunday during this heatwave. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Somerset is a not the tarmac on 95, yet we throw Brunswick out because it’s a suburb Also, theoretically, I could see the location of the asos at EWR adding a little bit to the temps but it's representative of where millions of people live (next to blacktop and the "concrete jungle" of nenj and nyc). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 some storms may come up I-95 here in CT if they hold together... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Raining at ewr now. Might break the 90 streak if they didn’t do it between hours Yeah, if not, there should be some clearing during the afternoon to reset. While today might underperform on temps due to the early clouds, tues may exceed, as may wed if its not cloudy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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