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3 minutes ago, Roger Smith said:

Since I am doing research involving the NYC data base, I would be interested in thoughts about how long the tree canopy issue has possibly been affecting temperatures and by what amount, also could we say it was an issue only during foliation season? How strong a wind negates it? 

My belief is that the July 1936 heat wave would have registered something well over 100 F even in today's setting, but that aside, I am looking at comparing data with urban effects considered, and this tree canopy issue is an urban effect in the opposite direction to the urban heat island. My comparisons assumed a gradual rise in the u.h.i. throughout the data set to 1980 and a level signal since 1980 (at some point the urban area gets so large that increases stop happening near its center and are observed further out). The adjustments are more relevant to minimum than maximum temperatures for urban heat islands (typically, if an urban heat island is on the order of 2 F deg, then the average increases will be 0.5 daytime and 3.5 overnight). 

So I am considering adjusting the urban filter that I applied to include this tree canopy issue, any suggestions? Or is there an argument to be made that larger tree canopies have spread through significant portions of the metropolitan area therefore this is just part of the historical trend and something not to be filtered out, since we don't filter out changes to the agriculture of the great plains etc.

urban heat island is enhanced by the suburb heat island and soon it will be one big island...I think using record lows from the 1800's only  show how cold it could get if everything was still trees and farms...start when electronics took over?...

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2 minutes ago, SnowGoose69 said:

About a Schenectady to just E of BGM to just NW of Williamsport line

Thank you! So it seems to me there is still plenty of time for a nice line of storms to form which you can see that happening currently north of BGM. Guess have to see if the line fills in south to Williamsport. Correct?

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20 minutes ago, Roger Smith said:

Since I am doing research involving the NYC data base, I would be interested in thoughts about how long the tree canopy issue has possibly been affecting temperatures and by what amount, also could we say it was an issue only during foliation season? How strong a wind negates it? 

My belief is that the July 1936 heat wave would have registered something well over 100 F even in today's setting, but that aside, I am looking at comparing data with urban effects considered, and this tree canopy issue is an urban effect in the opposite direction to the urban heat island. My comparisons assumed a gradual rise in the u.h.i. throughout the data set to 1980 and a level signal since 1980 (at some point the urban area gets so large that increases stop happening near its center and are observed further out). The adjustments are more relevant to minimum than maximum temperatures for urban heat islands (typically, if an urban heat island is on the order of 2 F deg, then the average increases will be 0.5 daytime and 3.5 overnight). 

So I am considering adjusting the urban filter that I applied to include this tree canopy issue, any suggestions? Or is there an argument to be made that larger tree canopies have spread through significant portions of the metropolitan area therefore this is just part of the historical trend and something not to be filtered out, since we don't filter out changes to the agriculture of the great plains etc.

The difference is most notable in the daytime in the summer months, nighttime temperatures are more consistent with surrounding observations in the city. In the middle of winter, temperatures at the park are pretty consistent with surrounding areas within the city. In the late spring when trees leaf out, the difference becomes more noticeable. The argument is that the growth over the past couple of decades have made this difference more noticeable. I'm not here to debate whether this is the way it should be or not, but the environment around the park is not the same as it was 30 years ago, let alone 100 years ago.

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8 minutes ago, psv88 said:

Monsoon like rains here now

My mom visited me over the weekend and was wondering how the lawns up here are all so green but at her house in Long Beach all brown. The grass down there is practically charred. Too bad yet again they’re missing good rain. 

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1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said:

I agree. I don't think one can automatically assume that the record streak of 100s isn't accurate.

If there's an error, it's much less than the 2-3 degrees speculated upon in the article. The prior two rises in error could well have been a function of predominant wind direction.

I added the NJ July highest temperatures below since 2010. Newark and Harrison are often  close on the max like the 102° this July so far. One of those stations is usually the NJ leader. New Brunswick is usually several degrees cooler since it’s more of a suburban setting than Newark and Harrison. Much of the July variance from year to year in NJ is probably the result of differing prevailing wind patterns. The Newark site is right near the bay. So active  bay breeze years like 2021 will allow Newark to run cooler than  surrounding sites. The 2010 Newark disparity is a result of the thermometer malfunction at around 12:30 causing the station to miss the local highs of 106-107 a few hours later. 
 


 

Monthly Data for July 2022 for New Jersey
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Name
Station Type
Highest Max Temperature 
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 102
HARRISON COOP 102
Newark Area ThreadEx 102
SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 101
SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 101
FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 101
LONG BRANCH-OAKHURST COOP 100
FLEMINGTON 5 NNW COOP 99
ESTELL MANOR COOP 99
Atlantic City Area ThreadEx 99
PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 99
New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 99
ATLANTIC CITY INTL AP WBAN 99
NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 99


 

Monthly Data for July 2021 for New Jersey
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Name
Station Type
Highest Max Temperature 
HARRISON COOP 100
LONG BRANCH-OAKHURST COOP 100
CANOE BROOK COOP 99
FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 99
HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 99
New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 98
NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 98
FLEMINGTON 5 NNW COOP 97
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 97


 

Monthly Data for July 2020 for New Jersey
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Name
Station Type
Highest Max Temperature 
LONG BRANCH-OAKHURST COOP 99
MARGATE COOP 98
FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 98
HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 98
HARRISON COOP 98
Atlantic City Area ThreadEx 97
MILLVILLE MUNICIPAL AIRPORT WBAN 97
ATLANTIC CITY INTL AP WBAN 97
INDIAN MILLS 2 W COOP 97
CANOE BROOK COOP 97
CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 97
EB FORSYTHE NEW JERSEY RAWS 96
SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 96
Newark Area ThreadEx 96
PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 96
CAPE MAY 2 NW COOP 96
HAMMONTON 1 NE COOP 96
FLEMINGTON 5 NNW COOP 96
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 96
ESSEX FELLS SERVICE BLDG COOP 96
TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 96
ESTELL MANOR COOP 96
SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 96
PHILADELPHIA/MT. HOLLY WFO COOP 95
Trenton Area ThreadEx 95
Belvidere Area ThreadEx 95
New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 95


 

Monthly Data for July 2019 for New Jersey
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Name
Station Type
Highest Max Temperature 
HARRISON COOP 101
Atlantic City Area ThreadEx 100
CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 100
MARGATE COOP 100
ATLANTIC CITY INTL AP WBAN 100
LONG BRANCH-OAKHURST COOP 100
Newark Area ThreadEx 99
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 99
TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 99
EB FORSYTHE NEW JERSEY RAWS 99
HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 99
SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 98
PHILADELPHIA/MT. HOLLY WFO COOP 98
SALEM COOP 98
CANOE BROOK COOP 98
ESTELL MANOR COOP 98
SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 98
PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 98
New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 98


 

Monthly Data for July 2018 for New Jersey
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Name
Station Type
Highest Max Temperature 
ATSION COOP 101
HARRISON COOP 101
FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 100
HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 100
CANOE BROOK COOP 99
TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 99
PHILADELPHIA/MT. HOLLY WFO COOP 99
HAMMONTON 1 NE COOP 99
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 98
SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 98
Trenton Area ThreadEx 98
Atlantic City Area ThreadEx 98
Newark Area ThreadEx 98
ATLANTIC CITY INTL AP WBAN 98
INDIAN MILLS 2 W COOP 98
TRENTON-MERCER AIRPORT WBAN 98
FLEMINGTON 5 NNW COOP 97
PHILLIPSBURG-EASTON BRIDGE COOP 97
CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 97
BOONTON 1 SE COOP 97
ESTELL MANOR COOP 97
PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 97
New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 97
SEABROOK FARMS COOP 97
NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 97


 

Monthly Data for July 2017 for New Jersey
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Name
Station Type
Highest Max Temperature 
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 98
HARRISON COOP 98
Newark Area ThreadEx 98
FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 98
Atlantic City Area ThreadEx 97
ATLANTIC CITY INTL AP WBAN 97
EB FORSYTHE NEW JERSEY RAWS 96
CANOE BROOK COOP 96
SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 96
TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 95
MANASQUAN 1 NW COOP 95
Trenton Area ThreadEx 95
New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 95
CAPE MAY 2 NW COOP 95
SEABROOK FARMS COOP 95
HAMMONTON 1 NE COOP 95
INDIAN MILLS 2 W COOP 95
HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 95
TRENTON-MERCER AIRPORT WBAN 95
NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 95


 

Monthly Data for July 2016 for New Jersey
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Name
Station Type
Highest Max Temperature 
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 99
CANOE BROOK COOP 99
Newark Area ThreadEx 99
New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 98
MANASQUAN 1 NW COOP 98
NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 98
TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 97
CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 97
HARRISON COOP 97
SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 97


 

Monthly Data for July 2015 for New Jersey
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Name
Station Type
Highest Max Temperature 
CRANFORD COOP 100
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 98
TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 98
HARRISON COOP 98
Newark Area ThreadEx 98
FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 97
CANOE BROOK COOP 96
CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 96
New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 96
NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 96


 

Monthly Data for July 2014 for New Jersey
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Name
Station Type
Highest Max Temperature 
HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 98
POTTERSVILLE 2 NNW COOP 98
SOMERDALE 4 SW COOP 97
Newark Area ThreadEx 96
HAMMONTON 1 NE COOP 96
FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 96
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 96
TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 96
SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 96
SEABROOK FARMS COOP 95
NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 95
PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 95
New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 95


 

Monthly Data for July 2013 for New Jersey
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Name
Station Type
Highest Max Temperature 
HARRISON COOP 102
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 101
Newark Area ThreadEx 101
TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 100
CRANFORD COOP 99
RINGWOOD COOP 99
HAMMONTON 1 NE COOP 98
NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 98


 

Monthly Data for July 2012 for New Jersey
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Name
Station Type
Highest Max Temperature 
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 104
CHATHAM 2 W COOP 104
Newark Area ThreadEx 104
CRANFORD COOP 103
TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 103
HARRISON COOP 103
CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 102
BOONTON 1 SE COOP 102
SOMERDALE 4 SW COOP 102
PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 102
HAMMONTON 1 NE COOP 102
CANOE BROOK COOP 101
RINGWOOD COOP 101
SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 101
New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 101
SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 101


 

Monthly Data for July 2011 for New Jersey
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Name
Station Type
Highest Max Temperature 
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 108
Newark Area ThreadEx 108
HARRISON COOP 107
TRENTON-MERCER AIRPORT WBAN 106
Trenton Area ThreadEx 106
Atlantic City Area ThreadEx 105
ATLANTIC CITY INTL AP WBAN 105
NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 105
New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 105


 

Monthly Data for July 2010 for New Jersey
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Name
Station Type
Highest Max Temperature 
CANOE BROOK COOP 107
RINGWOOD COOP 106
HARRISON COOP 106
SOMERDALE 4 SW COOP 106
NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 105
New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 105
FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 104
TRENTON-MERCER AIRPORT WBAN 104
PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 104
Trenton Area ThreadEx 104
CRANFORD COOP 104
SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 104
MILLVILLE MUNICIPAL AIRPORT WBAN 103
SEABROOK FARMS COOP 103
SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 103
PHILADELPHIA/MT. HOLLY WFO COOP 103
Newark Area ThreadEx 103
FLEMINGTON 5 NNW COOP 103
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 103
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6 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

My mom visited me over the weekend and was wondering how the lawns up here are all so green but at her house in Long Beach all brown. The grass down there is practically charred. Too bad yet again they’re missing good rain. 

I guess convection keeps firing on the sea breeze front for the past few weeks 

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