LibertyBell Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 15 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: Excessive precip and tropical systems are definitely on the horizon. We are loosing that cool water buffer more and more. Those strong SW flow heat events actually do more to upwell cool water. It’s the constant onshore flow that allows out coastal water temps to soar. those westerly flows of heat are like heaven, I wish the entire summer was like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 14 hours ago, bluewave said: The extended EPS for the start of July looks similar to the July forecast issued on June 5th. Rockies ridge with another ridge east of New England. If this pattern verifies, then the strongest heat in July relative to the means will be to our west. July Euro forecast issued on June 5th It makes sense that unless we get strong westerly winds the greatest heat will always be to our west as our extremes will always be modified by the ocean. But doesn't it look to you like the extreme heat is migrating eastward (along with the drought)? Last summer it was in the NW, this summer it's in the middle of the country, maybe our turn will come next summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Roger Smith said: Yes, for NYC, September had the hottest day in 1953 (2nd 102F), 1881 (7th 101F), 1929 (3rd, 99F), 1983 (11th, 99F), 1931 (11th, 99F, tied with 7th Aug), 1895 (23rd 97F), 2015 (8th 97F), 1921 (3rd 96F), 1932 (2nd 96F), 1914 (22nd 95F, tied with 27th May), 1915 (9th, 94F), 1897 (10th 93F tied with 6th July), 1970 (22nd 94F), 2014 (2nd 92F), also 1927 (15th 92F tied with four other days all in July, and it was also 90F on Oct 2nd 1927), and 1884 (91F 8th and 9th tied with 21st June and 20th Aug). So that was 16 of 153 years so far with at least a tie of the summer maximum in September. I listed them in order of their temperatures. The latest date was the 23rd in 1895, that year had a four-day heat wave May 31 to June 3 with 96F highs. This year NYC hit 93F on May 31, the second hottest reading since that record value from 1895 was tied in 1939. It was 94F in 1987 and that year's eventual maximum was 97F from the previous day (May 30th). Don't forget September 1983 which featured 5 90+ days including a 99 on the 11th and a 95 on the 24rd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 55 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: It makes sense that unless we get strong westerly winds the greatest heat will always be to our west as our extremes will always be modified by the ocean. But doesn't it look to you like the extreme heat is migrating eastward (along with the drought)? Last summer it was in the NW, this summer it's in the middle of the country, maybe our turn will come next summer? This is a different type of June pattern than we have seen in recent years. The heat ridges to our west have usually come east. This June we have the strong blocking pushing back against the heat dome. Most years the blocking is too weak in the summer to challenge the ridge to our west. So it will be interesting to see if the CFS is correct about the blocking continuing into next winter. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, bluewave said: This is a different type of June pattern than we have seen in recent years. The heat ridges to our west have usually come east. This June we have the strong blocking pushing back against the heat dome. Most years the blocking is too weak in the summer to challenge the ridge to our west. So it will be interesting to see if the CFS is correct about the blocking continuing into next winter. That would be an amazingly long time for this blocking to persist wouldn't it, Chris? What brought on this historic blocking? We never had a real SSW. Also do you think the models err on the side of persistence and it's much more likely that we flip back to a lack of blocking just in time for winter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, LibertyBell said: Don't forget September 1983 which featured 5 90+ days including a 99 on the 11th and a 95 on the 24rd. That was the most unpleasant (and thankfully the last) September of my 13 year public school incarceration. I was so happy to be out by 1pm 4 days a week. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPizz Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: That would be an amazingly long time for this blocking to persist wouldn't it, Chris? What brought on this historic blocking? We never had a real SSW. Also do you think the models err on the side of persistence and it's much more likely that we flip back to a lack of blocking just in time for winter? Hunga Tonga 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 The late September heat wave of 1970 was brutal…5 straight days 89 or better spilling over to the first days of fall…94 for the max… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 58 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: That would be an amazingly long time for this blocking to persist wouldn't it, Chris? What brought on this historic blocking? We never had a real SSW. Also do you think the models err on the side of persistence and it's much more likely that we flip back to a lack of blocking just in time for winter? The blocking started with the final stratospheric warming in late March. Sometimes once blocking becomes established, it just keeps going. But the strength of this blocking is unusual for June. Notice how strong the blocking is this month NE of Hudson Bay. So it will be interesting to see how long it can persist. Blocking since March 25th Blocking since June 1st 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 this is the weirdest looking heavy rain event i've seen 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcanic Winter Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, FPizz said: Hunga Tonga Recently upgraded to a high VEI 5 to potentially a 6, it’s about at the size where a real climate impact is possible. However, it only released a fraction of the sulphur load into the stratosphere that Pinatubo did, as most of it apparently leached / reacted into the ocean instead. Still, there are more volcanic particulates involved and there have been documented volcanic sunsets around the globe including in the northern hemisphere. It’s just odd that normally an eruption of this size, AFAIK, generally keeps its effects within the same hemisphere. Perhaps because the column reached, absurdly, into the mesosphere? A geophysicist/volcanologist I follow believes it will / and is currently impacting the climate system. I’m curious to see if anything is ultimately linked to it. Pinatubo caused a significant impact for the following several years in the early - mid 1990’s but was far more sulphur rich. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, gravitylover said: That was the most unpleasant (and thankfully the last) September of my 13 year public school incarceration. I was so happy to be out by 1pm 4 days a week. It makes you wish for school starting in October lol. We never saw a September that hot after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Volcanic Winter said: Recently upgraded to a high VEI 5 to potentially a 6, it’s about at the size where a real climate impact is possible. However, it only released a fraction of the sulphur load into the stratosphere that Pinatubo did, as most of it apparently leached / reacted into the ocean instead. Still, there are more volcanic particulates involved and there have been documented volcanic sunsets around the globe including in the northern hemisphere. It’s just odd that normally an eruption of this size, AFAIK, generally keeps its effects within the same hemisphere. Perhaps because the column reached, absurdly, into the mesosphere? A geophysicist/volcanologist I follow believes it will / and is currently impacting the climate system. I’m curious to see if anything is ultimately linked to it. Pinatubo caused a significant impact for the following several years in the early - mid 1990’s but was far more sulphur rich. Meanwhile though, the center of the country is baking as is most of Europe and even parts of Southern Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 Really unusual for the jet to be blowing this strong out of the north this time of year. It’s near a record according to the NEEFS. So this is why the convection is dropping SSE out of Canada. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormchaserChuck! Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Wow, CFS is good but variable. It's accuracy might be a product of money and energy traders baselining around it. I see it as outdated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 September 1961 was the worst...many days in school above 90 with no ac... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David-LI Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 2 hours ago, forkyfork said: this is the weirdest looking heavy rain event i've seen Is a lot of lightning expected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynwx99 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 things will become a lot more moist heading into tropical season. the analogs are screaming another very wet summer with slightly above average temps the pattern should be conducive for EC landfalls and we should see a lot of 90/70 type days towards late July - early September 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Second year La Niña or negative years heading towards another were… 1956…1975…1985…2000…2012…2012 was the warmest…the other summers were cool… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, StormchaserChuck! said: Wow, CFS is good but variable. It's accuracy might be a product of money and energy traders baselining around it. I see it as outdated. The seasonal models are often low skill especially for the winter. Long range MJO and SPV forecasts get really difficult beyond week 2 during the winter. But the seasonal models seem to have better skill during the summer some years. While I don’t usually look at the CFS, the big IOD reversal it’s forecasting for next winter would be fun. The forcing shifts from the Maritime Continent to west of the Dateline in the WPAC. While the forecast may be completely wrong, forcing west of dateline would support at least a strong -EPO +PNA like we had in January. The state of the AO and NAO usually is unknown until the winter actually starts. Is Maritime Continent cooling and WPAC warming next winter fact or fiction? Current Winter forecast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 I know it's the HRRR but it has lost the heavy rains 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/19/2022 at 9:48 AM, Allsnow said: Going to need to wait until July now for a official heatwave low chance ewr gets one sat-mon 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtd208 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 I am a person who usually likes hot and humid weather (90+) but these low to mid 80's temps we have been seeing have been pretty nice. I am certainly not against 85/65 degree temps during the day and night everyday. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, forkyfork said: low chance ewr gets one sat-mon 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 After EWR set the June all-rime record of 103° last year, the monthly max of 95° this June felt much cooler. Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Month of JunClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Highest Max Temperature Missing Count 1 2021 103 0 2 2011 102 0 - 1994 102 0 - 1993 102 0 - 1952 102 0 - 1943 102 0 3 1988 101 0 - 1966 101 0 4 1959 100 0 - 1953 100 0 - 1934 100 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 7 hours ago, FPizz said: I've had them here for about a week or so 10 days or so here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Brian5671 said: Front needs to slow down substantially for Monday to hit 90 Better odds Friday to over perform than Monday hitting it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 19 hours ago, Stormlover74 said: Usually I'd have seen lightning bugs by now but nothing They're out here in Queens and Brooklyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 5 hours ago, LibertyBell said: It makes you wish for school starting in October lol. We never saw a September that hot after that. The worst part was I had 3 classes in east facing rooms in the morning so it was horrible. You know the 2nd floor of the north wing of OHS, those rooms cook in the mornings and I had 2 upstairs and one downstairs. It sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Tomorrow will be mainly cloudy with showers and periods of rain. It will be unseasonably cool. The unseasonably cool weather will continue through Thursday before warmer air returns. During June 16-20, the MJO has been in Phase 1 at an amplitude of 1.500 or above. Of the six cases that saw such an outcome during June 15-25 (1988, 2003, 2010, 2012, 2017 and 2020), four had a warmer than normal July, one was somewhat cooler than normal and one was cooler than normal. The ECMWF seasonal forecast indicates that the summer will be warmer than normal throughout the region and across much of North America. Based on how the pattern has been evolving during the spring transition to summer, it is more likely than not that the warmest anomalies of the summer will likely occur in July and August with June being the coolest of the three months in the Northeast. The latest ECMWF monthly forecast indicates that July will be warmer than June relative to normal and that August will be the warmest summer month relative to normal. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -1.6°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -0.6°C for the week centered around June 8. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -1.30°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.90°C. La Niña conditions will likely persist through the summer. The SOI was +18.06 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was +1.404 today. On June 19 the MJO was in Phase 1 at an amplitude of 1.717 (RMM). The June 18-adjusted amplitude was 1.868 (RMM). Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 71% probability that New York City will have a cooler than normal June (1991-2020 normal). June will likely finish with a mean temperature near 71.3° (0.7° below normal). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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