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December 26-27 Storm Threat


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Wow, heavy heavy drinking must be going on for a post like this.

Maybe Jen grabbed Kev's blackberry and posted for him before smashing it into a million pieces?

I am sure there are a few more wives and girlfriends that want to break anything that is wired or wireless right now.........

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With this data rumor junk going aorund, I won't feel better about any NCEP products until the 00z data is in there. 21z SREF won't have that yet, so I'm not if it would be affected or not. Maybe they haven't been affected the entire time.

It's best to do what Sam said earlier, just start anew with the 0z NAM/GFS and forget what they showed at 12z/18z.

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I said this in PM to the guys...all i want to see is not a total miss at 0z. I just really, really worry about a total miss for no other reason than errors roll. 12z errors spill into 18z, and I believe there is contiuity even between main runs. So let's say errors got missed last night or even yesterday in our own models, they may have rolled through. The NCEP timing today just seems odd, the initial statement for the NAM was all was fine, then the GFS delivers a slam and there's major issues with both? They singled out the OP EC as probably having the same issues and voom at 12z it shot east. Was it still suffering at 12z and the zoom east was its manifestation of the problem? Who knows!

All interesting stuff. Yet the RUC seems to point towards a compromise with parts of each being right. figuring out which pieces equated to the big hit....no sense even trying. It could well be a wild ride in a few minutes.

I just wish NCEP elaborated a little more on what they thought was wrong. In the end we have one of the best all time in harv forecasting a lot of snow and maybe deep down that matters more than any of this.

Hopefully....bombs away soon.

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Okay flat out and not to be held to any of this, what do the pros think?

NCEP said there were errors and there obviously were. But did they grossly overstate the potential ramifications by tossing the models?

I think they did.

I just don't see the big differences unless the RUC is a mess even at 0z and I'm going blind.

How can every SREF change be wrong, the NOGAPS/RGEM/all the other models etc.

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Let's see if we can get the NAM over AVP or something at 00z. Now that would be fun.

Or a cutoff to our south 500 miles, or a low that tucks up over Kevin and we all get rained on and dry slotted.

If I'm not going to get snow I hope it goes well NW and hits the ski areas and all of you hard. Phil won't mind he's changing diapers anyway.

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Okay flat out and not to be held to any of this, what do the pros think?

NCEP said there were errors and there obviously were. But did they grossly overstate the potential ramifications by tossing the models?

I think they did.

I just don't see the big differences unless the RUC is a mess even at 0z and I'm going blind.

How can every SREF change be wrong, the NOGAPS/RGEM/all the other models etc.

Probably, but at the time it seemed right to do so. Now...meh. And by 00z it might be ut oh big time. I think you're right on all. Gotta love the SREFs now.

Though if I got 10" and Kevin got 7" or so that would mitigate the disappointment

:thumbsup:

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