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Hurling them on the day of the event is too late, though. And doing it on Christmas day stinks. Tough spot for them.

Well the impact probably wouldn't be until at the earliest during the late evening Sunday or overnight into Monday so they definitely have time to make some decisions...usually you don't see watches or advisories issued until like 12-18 hours prior...sometimes more depending on the amount of model agreement going on.

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18z GFS bufkit at BDL only has .2'' of QPF at BDL :unsure:

I wonder how thats even possible lol-- thats not what that run was showing. And the ensembles were bullish too. One positive note is that the 12z euro ensembles were well west of the OP. Hopefully, we will know more by 0z tonight.

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Thats what I'm saying... the shift east and south has started...

That output doesn't make much sense given the solution the 18z GFS gave us and what the QPF outputs showed..bufkit usually has a much better handle on QPF but that seemed odd. Not that I really care but I just wanted to see what it had for comedy purposes.

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The only time the euro was consistent was when it was showing a monster for like 4 days lol.

Yeah, exactly...the ens have been a bit better but that seemed ridiculous to me. I'm not trying to jump on them but the argument of all but dismissing everything but them now because they were fairly consistent doesn't work.

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That output doesn't make much sense given the solution the 18z GFS gave us and what the QPF outputs showed..bufkit usually has a much better handle on QPF but that seemed odd. Not that I really care but I just wanted to see what it had for comedy purposes.

I see 0.45" on BDL Bufkit but that doesn't make any sense to me given the QPF maps

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I see 0.45" on BDL Bufkit but that doesn't make any sense to me given the QPF maps

It's really odd. The only thing that I can think of right now is looking at the sounding the column isn't completely saturated and looks a little dryish...and looking at the RH fields not much above 85-90%.

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It's really odd. The only thing that I can think of right now is looking at the sounding the column isn't completely saturated and looks a little dryish...and looking at the RH fields not much above 85-90%.

Even the higher res GFS i looked at had >1" of QPF at BDL so it's weird.

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MY only point is.......it always seems like the NGP is one of the more easterly models with east coast lows. So I'd kind of expect it to be 150 miles east of the BM if the other more credible models were on the BM.

Well the NOGAPS often makes a big leap W close to the consensus once we get inside of 3 days...its usually a good sign of whats going on, so I think the W trend is real, but I highly doubt its as extreme as the GFS is trying to paint it. Believe me, I'd like a Dec '92-esque cutoff position like that where I probably get 2 feet of snow aided by upslope, but I'm not about to con myself into thinking that is going to happen at this point. Not until there is more objectively clear evidence.

There's plenty of reason to think its too far west right now.

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You're probably right ..just playing devils advocate re: the tainting argument. For me...I'm starting at 0.00" so I feel no pressure here. :) Any measurable qpf is a trend up.....

Well the NOGAPS often makes a big leap W close to the consensus once we get inside of 3 days...its usually a good sign of whats going on, so I think the W trend is real, but I highly doubt its as extreme as the GFS is trying to paint it. Believe me, I'd like a Dec '92-esque cutoff position like that where I probably get 2 feet of snow aided by upslope, but I'm not about to con myself into thinking that is going to happen at this point. Not until there is more objectively clear evidence.

There's plenty of reason to think its too far west right now.

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I got that off the NAM as well. Was just curious bc I got 0.45" on the GFS but the QPF graphics looked like 1" easy.

my awips graphics are showing the 0.62 for bdl. There's actually a pretty big precip hole near and ne of bdl on the gfs probably due to some sort of shadowing, lol.

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