MNstorms Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Looking more like a June weather pattern than a May one over the northern plains. There was an area highlight for Sunday but that was taken off today. Jet stream is really constant with trough ejections. Medium-range guidance is in good agreement that the overall upper pattern amplifies significantly on D4/Sunday and D5/Monday as western CONUS troughing deepens and upper ridging along the MS Valley builds. Position of the upper trough leads to deep southwesterly flow aloft across the Plains. At the same time, strong moisture advection will occur, with mid 60s dewpoints reaching eastern KS by D4/Sunday and into much of IA by D5/Monday. By D6/Tuesday, a large area of 70+ dewpoints may exist from the Arklatex north into IA. This low-level moisture, coupled with the EML fostered by the deep southwesterly flow aloft, is forecast to result in strong instability across at least some portion of the Plains and/or Upper/Mid MS Valley from D4/Sunday through at least D6/Tuesday. The somewhat stagnant upper pattern and lack of progressive surface features leads to dearth of forcing for ascent for D4/Sunday, leading to predictability issues. Some elevated thunderstorms are possible across the northern Plains, but uncertainty on location and overall severity merit precluding any outlook areas. Somewhat more discernible/predictable surface features are expected on D5/Monday, with a front moving into the upper MS Valley. Given the forecast buoyancy and shear, any storms that do develop will likely be severe. Some severe potential may persist across the Upper/Mid MS Valley on D6/Tuesday, but guidance varies crucially on the position of various surface features, limiting predictability. Additionally, guidance indicates that upper ridging will build west across more of the Plains on D6/Tuesday and D7/Wednesday, likely shifting the potential for storms back west towards the High Plains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 6, 2022 Author Share Posted May 6, 2022 NAM isn't even close to agreement with other models for Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Sunday the 8th looks like it will mostly remain capped, but maybe there will be isolated severe storms. Monday appears to have the most apparent potential through this period. Most likely in or near Iowa. The 10-13th is forecast to be an odd pattern for early/mid May. Pronounced ridging across the central U.S. and a cutoff low across the Southeast. I’m not sure there will be much overlap between appreciable forcing, shear and instability. Still, I could see a few severe storms, somewhere between the central High Plains and Upper Midwest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 7, 2022 Author Share Posted May 7, 2022 Well that's an interesting decrease in chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheeselandSkies Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 That stupid cutoff (remnants of the previous trough that produced the severe weather Wednesday through yesterday) is what will ruin this next few days of would-be setups by preventing the next trough from ejecting across the Plains properly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 Both RAP and HRRR have insane ingredients but barely storms developing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 SPC still thinking Iowa to Wisconsin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 9, 2022 Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 Big hailers tonight and tomorrow just going to miss me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 9, 2022 Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 Tornado watch likely. I don't remember the last time I've seen a dry line this far north. Probability of Watch Issuance...95 percent SUMMARY...The airmass across southern MN into northern IA is rapidly destabilizing and severe potential is increasing. A tornado watch will likely be needed by 20-21z. DISCUSSION...The airmass across southern MN into far northern IA is rapidly recovering from morning convection and quickly destabilizating. Mid to upper 60s F surface dewpoints are now widespread across northern IA to near the MN state line as temperatures have warmed into the upper 60s to mid 70s. This is resulting in rapidly eroding MLCIN. Towering cumulus have been noted across southwest MN over the past hour or so as a north to south oriented surface boundary/dryline quickly progresses eastward. A warm front is extending southeast from a surface low near Fargo ND toward southeast MN. The warm front is forecast to lift northward into central MN/west-central WI over the next few hours. While large-scale ascent is forecast to remain rather weak, strong vertical shear, both effective and in the 0-1 km layer, steep lapse rates and strong instability will support organized supercells. Weaker forcing will likely limit the number of storms, but one or two intense cells are expected to develop over the next few hours. Current VWP data from the KMPX 88-D near the warm frontal zone already indicated enlarged, favorably curved hodographs with 0-1 km SRH greater than 450 m2/s2. Any cell that develops withing the northward retreating warm frontal zone will have enhanced tornado potential in addition to large hail and damaging gusts. MCD is farther west than I would have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED Tornado Watch Number 194 NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 250 PM CDT Mon May 9 2022 The NWS Storm Prediction Center has issued a * Tornado Watch for portions of Eastern Minnesota Western Wisconsin * Effective this Monday afternoon and evening from 250 PM until 1000 PM CDT. * Primary threats include... A few tornadoes possible Scattered large hail and isolated very large hail events to 2.5 inches in diameter possible Scattered damaging wind gusts to 70 mph possible SUMMARY...Supercell thunderstorms are expected across portions of eastern Minnesota and western Wisconsin this afternoon and evening amid a strongly unstable air mass. All severe hazards are possible with these storms, including tornadoes and very large hail. https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/watch/ww0194.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 10, 2022 Author Share Posted May 10, 2022 Wednesday looks interesting. I wonder if we'll see in upgrade for Day2. RAP model is uhh, interesting... 8000+ CAPE anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 I don't remember the last time I saw back to back 10% tornado risks in Minnesota. Day 1 ...SUMMARY... Severe thunderstorms are expected this afternoon/evening over the north-central states. Very large hail, wind, and a threat for tornadoes is expected. Additionally, widely scattered severe thunderstorms are anticipated across the southern High Plains. Wind/hail are the primary threats. ...North-Central States... Weak mid-level short-wave trough that translated across northern Mexico into the southern High Plains Tuesday afternoon has contributed to a substantial MCS over the eastern TX Panhandle into western OK. This convection is expected to propagate slowly east and gradually weaken by sunrise. However, latest diagnostic data suggests an MCV has evolved over the northeastern TX Panhandle along the northern fringe of the MCS. HREF members appear to have sampled this feature well, and subsequent movement should track north-northeast across KS into southeast NE by 18z, then into southern MN by 12/00z. As the mid-level feature lifts northeast, LLJ should respond and strengthen across western IA into western MN. This will encourage the warm front draped across IA/southeast NE to retreat into southern MN prior to the aforementioned short wave. Surface dew points are quite high across the warm sector south of this boundary and moderate/high buoyancy is expected to develop by mid day. Maximum surface heating/steepest surface-3km lapse rates are forecast across NE into extreme western IA. As a result, there is increasing concern that supercells will develop ahead of the short wave/MCV by 19-20z over eastern NE, then spread northeast along the warm front. Ample shear/buoyancy will be present for very large hail with this activity, along with a tornado threat. Have increased severe probabilities for this corridor to account for more pronounced supercell threat ahead of this MCV. Day2 ...SUMMARY... Well-organized severe storms are expected to evolve from the eastern Dakotas and Minnesota southward into the central Plains Thursday. Very large hail and damaging winds are expected, along with potential for a couple of tornadoes. ...Synopsis... While an upper low retrogrades westward out of the western Atlantic into the Southeast, a vigorous, increasingly negatively tilted trough will advance rapidly northeastward from the Rockies into/across the northern and central Plains Thursday. As this occurs, rapid surface cyclogenesis will occur across the Dakotas during the afternoon and evening, with the low becoming occluded overnight as it retrogrades northwestward into northwestern North Dakota through the end of the period. Meanwhile, a warm front will shift northward across the upper Mississippi Valley, while a cold front advances eastward across the northern and central Plains through the period. ...Eastern Dakotas east to the Upper Mississippi Valley and south across the Mid Missouri Valley... Lingering/elevated convection -- and possible/low-end severe potential -- may be spreading across Lake Superior/western Upper Michigan/northern Wisconsin at the start of the period. Meanwhile, diurnal heating of a moist airmass across the north-central U.S. will commence. While warm-sector capping will inhibit storm initiation well into the afternoon, increasing ascent ahead of the advancing upper system -- focused near the surface cold front -- will result in storm development within a zone from central/eastern South Dakota southward into northern Kansas. Given increasing flow aloft supporting favorable shear for organized storms, updrafts will likely acquire rotation rather quickly. Very large hail and locally damaging winds can be expected, with a couple of tornadoes also possible -- particularly near a northward-moving warm front expected to extend from an eastern South Dakota surface low, eastward across the central Minnesota vicinity during the afternoon and early evening. With time, upscale growth/linear organization of the convection is expected, possibly evolving into one or more small-scale bowing MCSs. Along with continued hail potential and some risk for a tornado or two embedded within the line, damaging wind risk would increase/expand into the evening hours, assuming this upscale evolution. Risk will likely continue into the overnight hours, though a general/gradual weakening of storms with time is expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Localized supercell potential evident today in the front right quadrant of an MCV, which is moving into Nebraska late this morning. The threat should maximize between far northeastern Nebraska and southwestern Minnesota, where supercell wind profiles impinge on large/locally extreme instability late this afternoon. The main limiting factor I see is that there may be some subtle veer-back signatures in the wind profiles, due to the MCV moving NNE (southerly component to 500mb flow). Wind fields should improve toward 00z and especially with northward extent, with a lifting warm front, moving north across southern Minnesota. I’d expect an arc of semi-discrete supercells to intensify and tend to cluster, as they track across the NE/IA/SD border area. There is certainly a window for a few tornadoes, but storm mode may limit this from being a higher end localized event. If any isolated cells form ahead of the main arc of storms, they could pose a somewhat greater tornado risk across southern Minnesota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 This is after 25 minutes. Already a solid supercell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Relatively messy storm mode so far. Keeping an eye on an arc of semi-discrete cells around the Sioux City area. Those may have the least disrupted inflow environment to work with. Storms farther north appear to be clustering and interacting with cooler outflow, while storms to the west near the MCV center are likely elevated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 SUMMARY...A severe hail, wind, and tornado risk persist mainly from southeast South Dakota into southwest Minnesota. Hail may eventually occur north of the tornado watch. DISCUSSION...An MCV continues to move rapidly north, now crossing the MO River out of northeast NE, with arcing line of storms extending southeastward along the valley. Meanwhile, other storms currently extend from west of FSD north and eastward into southwest MN near the warm front. Surface observations show a cool boundary layer along the warm front, which has recently become reinforced by outflows. In addition, dewpoints continue to fall in the well-mixed air across IA. The result is a relatively narrow zone of tornado potential over the next few hours, from southeast SD eastward along the front into southern MN. Any supercells in this zone may produce a brief tornado, but meridional flow aloft near the MCV may push cells quickly north of the boundary where they will become elevated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 Tornado watch expanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 Multiple tornado warnings now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 Well I'm centered in this. SUMMARY...The threat of severe thunderstorms including tornadoes appears to be increasing across southern Minnesota and northern Iowa. DISCUSSION...Latest surface analysis continues to show a surface low associated with a well-defined MCV over southeast SD. A warm front extends eastward from the low along the MN/IA border. Relatively strong heating has been occurring along and north of the warm front over southern MN, where backed low-level winds and dewpoints in the upper 60s to lower 70s are resulting in a very favorable environment for supercell development. Recent CAM and WoFS solutions also indicate this potential. A compact low-level jet is expected to strengthen in the next few hours in this area as well, enhancing low-level shear and suggesting a heightened risk for a few tornadoes. Large hail and damaging winds would also be possible with storms along/north of the warm front. Farther west, radar suggests a developing bowing complex over Murray/Cottonwood/Nobles/Jackson counties MN. This activity will likely accelerate eastward along the warm front during the next 2-3 hours, posing an enhanced risk of damaging wind gusts and transient QLCS spinups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 Interesting that they are issuing tornado warnings well ahead of the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob1 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 25 minutes ago, MNstorms said: Interesting that they are issuing tornado warnings well ahead of the line. A couple of confirmed tornadoes embedded in that line now. It's hard to stay on top of it given how fast they spin up and disappear, which is probably why they're doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 12, 2022 Author Share Posted May 12, 2022 Highest possible wind speed so far. I've only ever seen 80+ in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witness Protection Program Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Tornado warnings on track to include the Twins-Astros game soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 12, 2022 Author Share Posted May 12, 2022 Just now, Witness Protection Program said: Tornado warnings on track to include the Twins-Astros game soon. I'm shocked they didn't postpone the game before the start. Not safe to send people back out onto the road. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witness Protection Program Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 As an Astros fan, we need to get 5 innings in now... Seems like that line will move through, so maybe a 1 to 2 hour delay? Not sure I'd want to wait out a tornado in a public area under a stadium, do they have parking garages near the stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 12, 2022 Author Share Posted May 12, 2022 So many warnings so far for non existent rotation but not for this. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Day 1 wind-driven moderate risk issued today for parts of the eastern Dakotas and western Minnesota. Based on wind profiles and model simulations, looks like storm mode will go linear very fast. This definitely has the feel of a summer setup, but it should help usher in somewhat cooler temperatures for the north-central states. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob1 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 SPC added an significant tornado contour in northeastern SD despite expecting things to grow upscale very quickly. Even with a messy storm mode, backed surface winds and eye-raising instability can lead to a couple of significant embedded tornadoes. Here's a cherry-picked sounding in SD from the latest HRRR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 A squall line is already getting going at Broken Bow, Nebraska. Dew points up to 70 at Huron, SD and Sioux Falls, SD. this probably needs a severe storm watch right now Quote Areas affected...far north-central Kansas across much of central Nebraska and toward southeast South Dakota Concerning...Severe potential...Watch likely Valid 121839Z - 122115Z Probability of Watch Issuance...80 percent SUMMARY...Storms are likely to increase in coverage and intensity over the next several hours, with damaging winds and hail expected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNstorms Posted May 12, 2022 Author Share Posted May 12, 2022 Early convection has seems to keep the warm front south, even moving it more south. I don't know if that was expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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