Central PA Spring 2022

[Bubbler86]

  On 4/29/2022 at 11:23 AM, Superstorm said:

Millersville only got down to 39F so MDT is believable.


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It might be believable but it is not representative for the area.  Ironically up until now, MDT has been too cool during the day and one could blame river influence.     It's in the Mid 20's just 30 min away and all the other major NWS reporting stations range from the Upper 20's to the mid 30's.  Even Cap City at 37.   BWI 34.  

[Itstrainingtime]

  On 4/29/2022 at 11:20 AM, Bubbler86 said:

29 here for a low.  UP to 31 now.  MDT unbelievably never got below 40. A Wunderground reading right across the river from them is at 34 right now  Definitely some fodder for replacing MDT.  LNS got to 34.  

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  On 4/29/2022 at 11:23 AM, Superstorm said:

Millersville only got down to 39F so MDT is believable.


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Believe it or not...lowest temp on my station was 39.4 at 6:22am. 

[Mount Joy Snowman]

I’m between MU and MDT and I bottomed out at 30. MDT only hitting 37 is par for the course. The river giveth and the river taketh away. 

[Itstrainingtime]

  On 4/29/2022 at 11:28 AM, Bubbler86 said:

It might be believable but it is not representative for the area.  Ironically up until now, MDT has been too cool during the day and one could blame river influence.     It's in the Mid 20's just 30 min away and all the other major NWS reporting stations range from the Upper 20's to the mid 30's.  Even Cap City at 37.   BWI 34.  

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I really don't know what to say - I was stunned this morning. Barely made it under 40 here. In fact, my temp stayed at 40.0 or above for all but 17 minutes. Temp never dropped below 39 on my way to work. 

[Bubbler86]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:11 PM, Mount Joy Snowman said:

I’m between MU and MDT and I bottomed out at 30. MDT only hitting 37 is par for the course. The river giveth and the river taketh away. 

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MDT only hit 40, FYI.   Immediately across the river it was 34. 

[Itstrainingtime]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:11 PM, Mount Joy Snowman said:

I’m between MU and MDT and I bottomed out at 30. MDT only hitting 37 is par for the course. The river giveth and the river taketh away. 

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That's incredible. See my lowest temp above. 

[Mount Joy Snowman]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:10 PM, Itstrainingtime said:

 

Believe it or not...lowest temp on my station was 39.4 at 6:22am. 

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Whoa. Some big differences around here. 

[Itstrainingtime]

  On 4/29/2022 at 11:24 AM, Bubbler86 said:

For some reason I thought the Heat  finished below the Sixers.  My bad. 

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Heat were the #1 in the east! 

[Bubbler86]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:12 PM, Itstrainingtime said:

That's incredible. See my lowest temp above. 

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And to state again, I believe your temp (I said unbelievable in my original post but meant it as an exasperation), but those temps are not representative.  LNS was 5-6 degrees cooler than you. 

[Mount Joy Snowman]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:12 PM, Bubbler86 said:

MDT only hit 40, FYI.   Immediately across the river it was 34. 

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[Itstrainingtime]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:14 PM, Bubbler86 said:

And to state again, I believe your temp (I said unbelievable in my original post but meant it as an exasperation), but those temps are not representative.  LNS was 5-6 degrees cooler than you. 

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I know, I'm just as exasperated as you are. And I understood the context of "unbelievable".   

[Bubbler86]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:15 PM, Mount Joy Snowman said:

 

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So, are they saying they went down to 37 for less than 60 min then back up?   LOL.   A 6 degree change.   37 would have been more what I was expecting but going from 42 to 37 to 40 (or 40 to 37 to 41) in 60 min is a tall tale. 

[Voyager]

  On 4/29/2022 at 11:14 AM, mahantango#1 said:

27 for the low with some frost, when will this be over, like i'm talking till next october.

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Yup I saw that patchy frost from Pillow up to Sunbury. 

[Itstrainingtime]

Voyager and Mahantango need to move to the historic district pronto. LOL   

[TimB]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:17 PM, Bubbler86 said:

So, are they saying they went down to 37 for less than 60 min then back up?   LOL.   A 6 degree change. 

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Here’s the 5 min obs from 5:56-6:56

https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=Kmdt

[Bubbler86]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:19 PM, Itstrainingtime said:

Voyager and Mahantango need to move to the historic district pronto. LOL   

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Seems like the obvious answer.

[mahantango#1]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:19 PM, Itstrainingtime said:

Voyager and Mahantango need to move to the historic district pronto. LOL   

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Whats in the Historic district that will satisfy our weather needs?

[Bubbler86]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:20 PM, TimB said:

Here’s the 5 min obs from 5:56-6:56

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A 3 degree drop in 24 min then 4 degree raise in 20 min.  Even more proof that MDT is not representative.  It took LNS 4 hours to have that same type of movement. Inversion issues?

[Voyager]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:19 PM, Itstrainingtime said:

Voyager and Mahantango need to move to the historic district pronto. LOL   

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  On 4/29/2022 at 12:21 PM, Bubbler86 said:

Seems like the obvious answer.

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I can't speak for Mahantango, but in reality, I need to move to Miami or Phoenix...lol

[TimB]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:24 PM, Bubbler86 said:

A 3 degree drop in 24 min then 4 degree raise in 20 min.  Even more proof that MDT is not representative.  It took LNS 4 hours to have that same type of movement. Inversion issues?

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It does look a little odd, doesn’t look like it coincides with clearing skies or calming winds (obs were clear with a puff of wind both before, during and after).

[Mount Joy Snowman]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:17 PM, Bubbler86 said:

So, are they saying they went down to 37 for less than 60 min then back up?   LOL.   A 6 degree change.   37 would have been more what I was expecting but going from 42 to 37 to 40 (or 40 to 37 to 41) in 60 min is a tall tale. 

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At 5:56am they were at 40 so it just means at some point during the hour immediately before or after that they dropped to 37. Not unusual. Can’t go off of just the on-the-hour observations. As TimB pointed out. 

[TimB]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:25 PM, Mount Joy Snowman said:

At 5:56am they were at 40 so it just means at some point during the hour immediately before or after that they dropped to 37. Not unusual. Can’t go off of just the on-the-hour observations. As TimB pointed out. 

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I want to say the absolute minimum for PIT this past winter occurred between hourly obs that were a solid 6-7 degrees warmer.

[Itstrainingtime]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:23 PM, mahantango#1 said:

Whats in the Historic district that will satisfy our weather needs?

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Consistently warmer temps than what you experience...

[Itstrainingtime]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:20 PM, TimB said:

Here’s the 5 min obs from 5:56-6:56

https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=Kmdt

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That graph tells me that they hit their lowest temp at precisely the same time that I did. (6:22am) And it lasted virtually the same amount of time. 

[Itstrainingtime]

So, who had 37 for MDT last night? My guess was 36. 

[Itstrainingtime]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:24 PM, Voyager said:

 

I can't speak for Mahantango, but in reality, I need to move to Miami or Phoenix...lol

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Depends if you like your heat with a side of dry air or humid air.  

[mahantango#1]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:34 PM, Itstrainingtime said:

Depends if you like your heat with a side of dry air or humid air.  

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[Bubbler86]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:25 PM, Mount Joy Snowman said:

At 5:56am they were at 40 so it just means at some point during the hour immediately before or after that they dropped to 37. Not unusual. Can’t go off of just the on-the-hour observations. As TimB pointed out. 

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Yea, we will have to agree to disagree on the bolded.  LOL.   I am familiar with the inter-hour obs and was ready for MDT to maybe get 39.   I did not know where to access them though.    LNS took 4-5 hours to do what MDT did in less than an hour.  Same as Cap City.   Not impossible but again not indicative of the area it is representing.   A 3 degree drop is fine but a then 4 degree rise with no fronts or cloud issues is  questionable.  In scientific terms, MDT's data gets thrown out from last night. 

[Bubbler86]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:33 PM, Itstrainingtime said:

So, who had 37 for MDT last night? My guess was 36. 

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I think Canderson said 38 but would have to run back through the posts. 

[Bubbler86]

  On 4/29/2022 at 12:25 PM, TimB said:

It does look a little odd, doesn’t look like it coincides with clearing skies or calming winds (obs were clear with a puff of wind both before, during and after).

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If any of the other stations had similar movements, then it would not be so odd.  Point Pleasant (or point something) right across the river from the Airport was at 35 when MDT had their hour of power.