jm1220 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Volcanic Winter said: I’ll take it. Beautiful crisp air. Makes me feel refreshed and awake. Don’t worry guys, I lose by default. It’ll be hot and humid here before you know it. These types of events are transient and rare for us anymore. What does seem to be increasing is our prevalence for tornadoes; how about that Mullica Hills EF3 last September? Never thought I’d see what appeared to be a Deep South multivortex dirty wedge in NJ What’s probably helping are the increasing water temps up here in the summer that are slow to cool down. We also had the tornado outbreak in the fall across Long Island. Warmer waters equal more instability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Thursday could be another one of these out of season severe events with a few tornadoes possible for the warm spots around the region that can destabilize enough. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 hour ago, forkyfork said: thankfully it's only exotic trees that are suffering. the native trees haven't flowered yet It's only a matter of time. A record warm 11-12 style winter and then a deep freeze late March or early April. This cold absolutely sucks though. Was outside last night and it felt like mid winter with the gusty winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 hour ago, forkyfork said: thankfully it's only exotic trees that are suffering. the native trees haven't flowered yet This fits into the thread you just started but, with the northward movement of plant life that had previously been native to further south than here there are more semi-native plants that will be affected by these late season cold shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 hour ago, bluewave said: Thursday could be another one of these out of season tornado events for the warm spots around the region that can destabilize enough. Thursday has some scary looking soundings for parts of the area. We may be in for one hell of a severe weather event 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 another beautiful day in nyc... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 if we do not hit 40 when was the last time central park has 2 days in a row in late march stay under 40 degrees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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uncle W Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 1966-67 was an up and down year as far as temperatures...record warmth and record snow and cold all the way to April 1st and 2nd 1967...Record warmth both days gave way to two months of unseasonably cold weather... 2021-22 temperature highs and lows... 12/17/21...60...48..... 12/20/21...35...25 01/02/22...59...37 01/04/22...34...19 02/04/22...57...26 02/05/22...27...19 02/12/22...59...42 02/14/22...25...16 02/17/22...68...49 02/20/22...36...21 02/23/22...68...35 02/24/22...35...39 03/07/22...74...50 03/09/22...41...33 .......................................................... 1966-67... 12/11/66...60...35...66 on 12/9 12/13/66...37...31 12/18/66...56...42 12/20/66...37...24 01/26/67...58...44...68 on 1/24... 01/28/67...39...29 02/02/67...58...34 02/03/67...34...20 02/15/67...60...42 02/17/67...27...23 03/03/67...64...39 03/05/67...38...31 03/11/67...72...50 03/13/67...40...33 03/14/67...63...37 03/16/67...32...21 04/03/67...76...36 04/04/67...50...32 04/10/67...70...39 04/11/67...48...32 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboLeader1 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 34F here currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 We're talking about Thursday afternoon when things potentially get ugly, right? My kid is flying into LGA at 11am, it should be ok right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 2 hours ago, gravitylover said: We're talking about Thursday afternoon when things potentially get ugly, right? My kid is flying into LGA at 11am, it should be ok right? No issues then. Models actually look fairly meh for NYC and points east with the south flow off the cold ocean...maybe some showers overnight Thurs-Fri 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 After another cool start, tomorrow will turn noticeably milder with readings reaching the middle and perhaps upper 40s despite the presence of a lot of clouds. Thursday will be warm with highs well into the 60s despite some rain, showers, and perhaps thunderstorms. The mean last dates for readings below 30° are: New York City: March 22 (1981-10: March 24) Philadelphia: March 22 (1981-10: March 25) Last year, both cities saw the temperature fall into the 20s for their last time on April 2. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -0.5°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -0.9°C for the week centered around March 23. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -0.92°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.88°C. La Niña conditions will likely persist into at least mid-April. The SOI was +3.49 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was -1.095 today. On March 27 the MJO was in Phase 8 at an amplitude of 0.311 (RMM). The March 26-adjusted amplitude was 0.108 (RMM). Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied near 100% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal March (1991-2020 normal). March will likely finish with a mean temperature near 45.2° (2.4° above normal). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 14 hours ago, jm1220 said: Not sure what the reason is for the constant blocking patterns late in March and into spring the last several seasons but hopefully we can get it to end and have the blocking a month earlier when it can be useful for snow. Amazing how constant these patterns are every year along with the seeming perma-Nina. This was also the case in the 50s when March was our snowiest month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 16 hours ago, bluewave said: Yesterday was the 2nd latest date at LGA that the high didn’t get over freezing. RECORD EVENT REPORT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK, NY 730 PM EDT TUE MAR 28 2022 ...RECORD LOW MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE SET AT LAGUARDIA NY... A RECORD LOW MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE OF 32 WAS SET AT LAGUARDIA NY TODAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 36 SET IN 1966. 3/25 32 in 1940 34 in 1974 34 in 1956 3/26 34 in 1947 35 in 2014 36 in 1971 3/27 36 in 1955 39 in 1982 39 in 1975+ 3/28 32 in 2022 36 in 1966 38 in 1959 3/29 34 in 1974 35 in 1984 40 in 1965+ 3/30 34 in 1970 39 in 1941 40 in 1990+ 3/31 36 in 1970 36 in 1969 37 in 1964 4/1 42 in 2001 43 in 1964 44 in 2011+ 4/2 39 in 2021 40 in 1993 43 in 2018 4/3 39 in 1978 43 in 1962 43 in 1943 4/4 36 in 1975 41 in 1972 42 in 1944 4/5 38 in 1995 39 in 1944 41 in 1975 4/6 40 in 1982 41 in 1975 42 in 1971+ 4/7 30 in 1982 37 in 2003 39 in 1967 4/8 38 in 2003 39 in 1972 39 in 1956 Can you extend this out further, Chris.... what were the highs when we had that snowstorm in April 1996? What was the latest we've ever had highs in the 30s around the region? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 5:55 PM, donsutherland1 said: An Arctic air mass seemingly turned the calendar back several pages to January. Under bright sunshine coupled with some clouds and a few passing flurries, the mercury rose into the lower and middle 30s across the region. At New York City, the high was 33°, which was the coldest high temperature this late in the season since April 7, 1982 when the high was 30°. At Newark, the high of 35° was the coldest high since April 7, 1982 when the high was 30°. At Philadelphia, the high of 36° was the coldest high since April 7, 1982 when the temperature also topped out at 36°. Record low maximum temperatures were set or tied at locations including: Allentown: 31° (old record: 37°, 1959, 1966, and 1996) Binghamton: 18° (old record: 23°, 1966) Boston: 33° (tied record set in 1893) Bridgeport: 32° (old record: 35°, 1959 and 1966) Hartford: 31° (old record: 34°, 1923, 1926, 1937, 1959, and 1966) Islip: 33° (old record: 35°, 1966) Mount Pocono, PA: 21° (old record: 24°, 1937) New York City-JFK: 34° (old record: 37°, 1959) New York City-LGA: 32° (old record: 36°, 1966) New York City-NYC: 33° (old record: 34°, 1893) Newark: 35° (tied record set in 1937) Poughkeepsie: 31° (old record: 35°, 1939 and 1959) Providence: 34° (tied record set in 1926) Scranton: 27° (old record: 28°, 1937) Worcester: 27° (old record: 28°, 1966) At Binghamton, the 18° high was the lowest maximum temperature on record this late in the season. The old record was 21°, which was set on April 4, 1975 and tied on April 7, 1982. The previous latest high temperature below 20° occurred on March 22, 1959 when the high was 19°. The previous latest 18° high temperature occurred on March 21, 1988 when the temperature reached 18°. Tomorrow will again start with low temperatures in the lower and middle 20s in New York City and Philadelphia with teens in some areas outside the cities. The afternoon will turn milder as the thermometer pushes into the 40s. The mean last dates for readings below 30° are: New York City: March 22 (1981-10: March 24) Philadelphia: March 22 (1981-10: March 25) Last year, both cities saw the temperature fall into the 20s for their last time on April 2. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -0.5°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -0.9°C for the week centered around March 23. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -0.92°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.88°C. La Niña conditions will likely persist into at least mid-April. The SOI was +6.70 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was -0.912 today. On March 26 the MJO was in Phase 2 at an amplitude of 0.111 (RMM). The March 25-adjusted amplitude was 0.635 (RMM). Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied near 100% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal March (1991-2020 normal). March will likely finish with a mean temperature near 45.2° (2.4° above normal). Don I see how historic April 1982 is here with multiple mentions. Do you have the low temperature at Mt Pocono yesterday, since I saw you mentioned the high? And how does this compared to what they had in April 1982 (both high and low)? Also, I remember reading somewhere that the snowstorm that occurred that day was one of their largest on record? Was it around 2 feet of snow there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboLeader1 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 26F as of 5AM. Reached 36 for a high yesterday. Temps looking to rebound today with high's in the upper 40's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Morning thoughts… Today was the 4th consecutive day that the temperature fell below 30° in New York City after March 26th and just the 7th time on record. 4 of those cases occurred prior to 1900 and the most recent case was April 5-8, 1982. After a very cold start, it will be partly sunny and milder. High temperatures will likely reach the middle and upper 40s in much of the region. Likely high temperatures around the region include: New York City (Central Park): 47° Newark: 49° Philadelphia: 52° The warmup will continue through tomorrow. Normals: New York City: 30-Year: 54.9°; 15-Year: 55.5° Newark: 30-Year: 55.8°; 15-Year: 56.6° Philadelphia: 30-Year: 58.0°; 15-Year: 58.7° 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 6 hours ago, LibertyBell said: Don I see how historic April 1982 is here with multiple mentions. Do you have the low temperature at Mt Pocono yesterday, since I saw you mentioned the high? And how does this compared to what they had in April 1982 (both high and low)? Also, I remember reading somewhere that the snowstorm that occurred that day was one of their largest on record? Was it around 2 feet of snow there? On March 27th, the range was 21-12. On April 7, 1982, the range was 22-8. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 The last 2 days are averaging 47degs.(36/57) or near Normal. Month to date is 45.2[+2.7]. March should end at 45.3[+2.5]. Reached 39 here yesterday. Today: 47-50, wind w. to s., clouds late, no more <32, 45 tomorrow AM. 31*(42%RH) here at 7am. 41* at 11am. 46* at 3pm.---variable in low 40's----42* at 8pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 First time that LGA had two record highs during the first week of a March followed by record low tie during the last week. 3/1 71 in 2017 68 in 1972 62 in 2004+ 3/2 67 in 2004 66 in 2017 66 in 1972 3/3 65 in 1967 62 in 1961 60 in 2002 3/4 69 in 1946 65 in 1974 62 in 2008 3/5 72 in 1976 69 in 1964 68 in 1961 3/6 68 in 2022 64 in 1976 62 in 2004 3/7 74 in 2022 69 in 2009 69 in 1987 3/25 18 in 1940 19 in 1956 21 in 1960 3/26 20 in 1960 21 in 1947 25 in 2014+ 3/27 23 in 2014 24 in 1975 25 in 2001+ 3/28 23 in 1982 24 in 2022 24 in 1975 3/29 25 in 2022 25 in 1959 26 in 1943 3/30 23 in 1970 28 in 2008 28 in 1941 3/31 24 in 1964 28 in 1969 28 in 1950 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowlover11 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Hopefully we are done with the 20’s after tonight. It’s been a brutal 72 hours. if it isn’t going to snow these sub freezing temps can kindly go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 8 hours ago, LibertyBell said: Can you extend this out further, Chris.... what were the highs when we had that snowstorm in April 1996? What was the latest we've ever had highs in the 30s around the region? April 1982 was the latest 21° low and 30° low max on record for NYC. It was a 100 year event for the colder climate of that time. So in our warmer climate, we haven’t seen anything close to that type of April blizzard or cold. The latest highs in the 30s was 4-29-1874. Frost/Freeze Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYEach section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date.Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Last Value First Value Season Length 1982 04-07 (1982) 21 12-09 (1982) 19 245 1881 04-05 (1881) 21 12-11 (1881) 20 249 1874 04-05 (1874) 20 12-14 (1874) 16 252 1923 04-01 (1923) 12 01-02 (1924) 20 275 1915 03-30 (1915) 21 12-11 (1915) 21 255 First/Last Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYEach section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date.Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Last Value First Value Difference 1982 04-07 (1982) 30 12-13 (1982) 24 249 1881 04-05 (1881) 30 11-25 (1881) 30 233 1887 03-29 (1887) 29 12-01 (1887) 23 246 1894 03-27 (1894) 30 12-28 (1894) 17 275 1878 03-25 (1878) 30 12-24 (1878) 22 273 First/Last Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYEach section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date.Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Last Value First Value Difference 1874 04-29 (1874) 38 11-13 (1874) 36 197 1904 04-20 (1904) 37 11-17 (1904) 38 210 1887 04-18 (1887) 38 11-11 (1887) 39 206 1875 04-18 (1875) 32 11-04 (1875) 39 199 1872 04-16 (1872) 39 11-21 (1872) 37 218 1940 04-13 (1940) 35 11-26 (1940) 35 226 1918 04-12 (1918) 35 11-26 (1918) 39 227 1894 04-11 (1894) 39 11-09 (1894) 37 211 1882 04-11 (1882) 38 11-18 (1882) 34 220 1942 04-10 (1942) 37 11-14 (1942) 32 217 1909 04-10 (1909) 39 11-25 (1909) 39 228 1900 04-10 (1900) 39 11-16 (1900) 39 219 2003 04-09 (2003) 39 12-02 (2003) 36 236 1982 04-09 (1982) 39 12-10 (1982) 35 244 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 17 minutes ago, bluewave said: April 1982 was the latest 21° low and 30° low max on record for NYC. It was a 100 year event for the colder climate of that time. So in our warmer climate, we haven’t seen anything close to that type of April blizzard or cold. Frost/Freeze Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYEach section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date.Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Last Value First Value Season Length 1982 04-07 (1982) 21 12-09 (1982) 19 245 1881 04-05 (1881) 21 12-11 (1881) 20 249 1874 04-05 (1874) 20 12-14 (1874) 16 252 1923 04-01 (1923) 12 01-02 (1924) 20 275 1915 03-30 (1915) 21 12-11 (1915) 21 255 First/Last Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYEach section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date.Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Last Value First Value Difference 1982 04-07 (1982) 30 12-13 (1982) 24 249 1881 04-05 (1881) 30 11-25 (1881) 30 233 1887 03-29 (1887) 29 12-01 (1887) 23 246 1894 03-27 (1894) 30 12-28 (1894) 17 275 1878 03-25 (1878) 30 12-24 (1878) 22 273 Yep, even for the 40’s-80’s colder time frame, April, 1982 was very highly anomalous, a true fluke month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 27 minutes ago, snowman19 said: Yep, even for the 40’s-80’s colder time frame, April, 1982 was very highly anomalous, a true fluke month Yeah, there was a rapid cooling of the North Atlantic during the 1970s. They are still not sure what caused it. So we had all those record cold winters in the late 1970s and early 1980s. 1982 and 1985 were the last 2 times that Newark almost made it down to -10°. An Anatomy of the Cooling of the North Atlantic Ocean in the 1960s and 1970s https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/27/21/jcli-d-14-00301.1.xml Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Jan through DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Lowest Min Temperature Missing Count 1 1934 -14 0 2 1985 -8 0 - 1933 -8 0 3 1982 -7 0 - 1943 -7 0 4 1936 -4 0 - 1935 -4 0 5 1994 -2 0 - 1977 -2 0 - 1963 -2 0 - 1961 -2 0 6 1984 -1 0 - 1981 -1 0 - 1980 -1 0 - 1979 -1 0 - 1976 -1 0 - 1942 -1 0 7 2016 0 0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfa Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 It’s only 43 but it feels 55 in the late March sun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Looks like slight risk was expanded somewhat for tomorrow. Instability will be important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Records from the 1870’s come from a time when most of the area was trees and farms…we should not throw them out but just start at 1960 or 1950… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 40 minutes ago, uncle W said: Records from the 1870’s come from a time when most of the area was trees and farms…we should not throw them out but just start at 1960 or 1950… But 1917 to 1936 had much colder intervals than the period from the 1870s to the early 1910s. Time Series Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY - Jan through DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Lowest Min Temperature Missing Count 1 1934 -15 0 2 1917 -13 0 3 1943 -8 0 4 1933 -6 0 - 1918 -6 0 - 1899 -6 0 - 1882 -6 0 - 1880 -6 1 5 1914 -5 0 - 1896 -5 0 Minimum 30-Day Mean Avg Temperature for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Value Ending Date Missing Days Period of record: 1869-01-01 to 2022-03-29 1 19.0 1918-01-24 0 2 19.3 1918-01-25 0 3 19.3 1918-01-27 0 4 19.5 1918-01-23 0 5 19.6 1918-01-26 0 6 19.6 1934-02-28 0 7 19.8 1934-02-27 0 8 19.8 1918-01-28 0 9 20.1 1918-01-22 0 10 20.1 1934-03-01 0 11 20.3 1918-01-21 0 14 20.3 1893-01-22 0 15 20.3 1918-01-07 0 17 20.4 1918-01-08 0 18 20.4 1936-02-21 0 19 20.5 1893-01-20 0 20 20.7 1918-01-04 0 - 20.3 1918-01-06 0 - 20.3 1918-01-05 0 - 20.3 1893-01-21 0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, bluewave said: But 1917 to 1936 had much colder intervals than the period from the 1870s to the early 1910s. Time Series Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY - Jan through DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Lowest Min Temperature Missing Count 1 1934 -15 0 2 1917 -13 0 3 1943 -8 0 4 1933 -6 0 - 1918 -6 0 - 1899 -6 0 - 1882 -6 0 - 1880 -6 1 5 1914 -5 0 - 1896 -5 0 Minimum 30-Day Mean Avg Temperature for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Value Ending Date Missing Days Period of record: 1869-01-01 to 2022-03-29 1 19.0 1918-01-24 0 2 19.3 1918-01-25 0 3 19.3 1918-01-27 0 4 19.5 1918-01-23 0 5 19.6 1918-01-26 0 6 19.6 1934-02-28 0 7 19.8 1934-02-27 0 8 19.8 1918-01-28 0 9 20.1 1918-01-22 0 10 20.1 1934-03-01 0 11 20.3 1918-01-21 0 14 20.3 1893-01-22 0 15 20.3 1918-01-07 0 17 20.4 1918-01-08 0 18 20.4 1936-02-21 0 19 20.5 1893-01-20 0 20 20.7 1918-01-04 0 - 20.3 1918-01-06 0 - 20.3 1918-01-05 0 - 20.3 1893-01-21 0 most of the outer boroughs were built up in the early 1920's...We can start with 1930...we would still have the hottest temp on record from 1936 and the coldest temp from 1934... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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