bluewave Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Warm and wet 2nd half of March on the EPS. March 14-21 temperature departures March 21-28 temperature departures March 21-28 rainfall departures 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, snowman19 said: @bluewave @donsutherland1 Possibly heading into a rare 3rd year La Niña? It will be interesting to see how things evolve. At this point in time, there is a lot of uncertainty. By late spring, the picture should be clearing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, snowman19 said: Possibly heading into a rare 3rd year La Niña? It’s possible with this persistent La Niña background state since 16-17. Very hard for El Niño’s to get going and couple with the record SSTs near the Maritime Continent. These impressive MJO events just keep reinforcing the La Niña. Nice discussion from the CPC: • The MJO has shown better signs of organization, which is reflected in the observational RMM index and upper-level velocity potential anomalies depicting the leading edge of the main convective envelope shifting eastward over Africa and the western Indian Ocean during the past week. • There is good agreement in the dynamical models favoring continued eastward propagation of the MJO across the Indian Ocean and into the Maritime Continent during the next two weeks. Several ensemble members suggest the possible development of a high amplitude event. • The enhanced phase of the MJO, as well as predicted Kelvin and Rossby wave activity, is expected to increase chances for tropical cyclone formation mainly over the Indian Ocean during the next two weeks. • The potential for the MJO to constructively interfere with the low frequency footprint would favor an extratropical response typical of La Niña, yielding warmer than normal temperatures across eastern North America later in March. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, bluewave said: It’s possible with this persistent La Niña background state since 16-17. Very hard for El Niño’s to get going and couple with the record SSTs near the Maritime Continent. These impressive MJO events just keep reinforcing the La Niña. Nice discussion from the CPC: • The MJO has shown better signs of organization, which is reflected in the observational RMM index and upper-level velocity potential anomalies depicting the leading edge of the main convective envelope shifting eastward over Africa and the western Indian Ocean during the past week. • There is good agreement in the dynamical models favoring continued eastward propagation of the MJO across the Indian Ocean and into the Maritime Continent during the next two weeks. Several ensemble members suggest the possible development of a high amplitude event. • The enhanced phase of the MJO, as well as predicted Kelvin and Rossby wave activity, is expected to increase chances for tropical cyclone formation mainly over the Indian Ocean during the next two weeks. • The potential for the MJO to constructively interfere with the low frequency footprint would favor an extratropical response typical of La Niña, yielding warmer than normal temperatures across eastern North America later in March. The record -PDO/-PMM state is very telling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, snowman19 said: The record -PDO/-PMM state is very telling Could be another active hurricane season with a continuing La Niña background state and that record warm pool off the East Coast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, bluewave said: Warm and wet 2nd half of March on the EPS. March 14-21 temperature departures March 21-28 temperature departures March 21-28 rainfall departures Nice cold shot 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, bluewave said: Could be another active hurricane season with a continuing La Niña background state and that record warm pool off the East Coast. We're really tempting fate with these active hurricane seasons and strengthening SE ridging. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 43 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Nice cold shot Only 15 more days to go. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rjay said: Only 15 more days to go. In 15 days a cool day is basically today's high. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 A sustained warmer than normal pattern that could last for at least 1-2 weeks has now developed. Tomorrow will likely feature widespread high temperatures in the 60s. There remains some potential for the month to end with cooler but not necessarily cold readings, but uncertainty that far out is high. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -0.5°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -1.0°C for the week centered around March 9. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -1.22°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.80°C. La Niña conditions will likely persist through March. The SOI was +12.83 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was +1.156 today. On March 12 the MJO was in Phase 1 at an amplitude of 1.836 (RMM). The March 11-adjusted amplitude was 1.697 (RMM). Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 88% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal March (1991-2020 normal). March will likely finish with a mean temperature near 45.8° (3.0° above normal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 3 hours ago, MJO812 said: Nice cold shot At this point I don't want it. Bring on the torch. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 5 hours ago, MJO812 said: Nice cold shot It’s over Johnny, done, finished, stick a fork in it, give it up, fat lady has sung, let it go, game over, bring down the curtain, lights out, say goodnight and goodbye, adios….a former winter. We don’t live at northern New England’s latitude…. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Basically 45/60 or about +8 for the rest of the month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattinpa Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, snowman19 said: It’s over Johnny, done, finished, stick a fork in it, give it up, fat lady has sung, let it go, game over, bring down the curtain, say goodnight and goodbye, adios….a former winter. We don’t live at northern New England’s latitude…. Well this time I’m not sure I can argue. It really may be over until at least November.. can’t rule out a few colder days though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboLeader1 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 High of 54 yesterday, low of 40 this AM. Currently 41 under clear skies, expecting temps to be in the low 60's today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_other_guy Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 7 hours ago, CIK62 said: Basically 45/60 or about +8 for the rest of the month. Very alarming that entire swaths of winter now get cancelled out with extended +10 type weather. It is the end of March, so no one cares…but a warm month is about to get a whole lot warmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_other_guy Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 7 hours ago, snowman19 said: It’s over Johnny, done, finished, stick a fork in it, give it up, fat lady has sung, let it go, game over, bring down the curtain, lights out, say goodnight and goodbye, adios….a former winter. We don’t live at northern New England’s latitude…. I made that same call Presidents week. with little variation here and there, it was a good call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Morning thoughts… It will be partly sunny and warm. High temperatures will likely reach the lower and middle 60s in most of the region. Likely high temperatures around the region include: New York City (Central Park): 62° Newark: 65° Philadelphia: 68° A general warmer than normal pattern will continue through at least the remainder of the week. Normals: New York City: 30-Year: 49.3°; 15-Year: 50.0° Newark: 30-Year: 50.4°; 15-Year: 51.3° Philadelphia: 30-Year: 52.3°; 15-Year: 52.8° Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 The next 8 days are averaging 53degs.(45/62) or +11. Month to date is 41.9[+1.5]. Should be 46.0[+5.0] by the 23rd. Reached 50 here yesterday. Today: 58-61, wind sw., few clouds, 48 by tomorrow AM. 43*(65%RH) here at 7am. 50* at 11am. 54* at Noon. 55* at 12:30pm but has fallen back to just 51* at 2pm. 59* at 10pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 19 hours ago, bluewave said: The December 2015 extreme +13.3 departure marked the shift to much warmer winters. This is the first 7 year run of above average winter temperatures in our area. The SE Ridge has never been this strong for such an extended period of time. how many years does this have to be continue for the SE ridge to be considered a permanent feature in our climate? at this rate, (and sooner rather than later) it looks like direct human climate modification is the only real solution to avoiding a climate catastrophe....one can argue the catastrophe has already begun but most humans haven't realized it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 17 hours ago, Rjay said: We're here all year round if you'd like to stick around. lol most of the year the weather is utterly boring, and I think the politics and sports subforums will be seeing a lot more action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 42 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: how many years does this have to be continue for the SE ridge to be considered a permanent feature in our climate? at this rate, They already have acknowledged that it has been increasing and the NE Coast is one of the fastest warming areas of the planet. But the climate models aren’t good enough to show it. So they are looking for theories like AMOC slow down and more +NAO. But we have seen the feature with a -AO like last winter with the south based blocking. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-021-01159-7The northeastern United States (NEUS) and the adjacent Northwest Atlantic Shelf (NWS) have emerged as warming hotspots, but the connection between them remains unexplored. Here we use gridded observational and reanalysis datasets to show that the twentieth-century surface air temperature increase along the coastal NEUS is exceptional on the continental and hemispheric scale and is induced by a combination of two factors: the sea surface temperature (SST) increase in the NWS associated with a weakening Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), and atmospheric circulation changes associated with a more persistent positive North Atlantic Oscillation. These connections are important because AMOC slowdown and NWS warming are projected to continue. A survey of climate model simulations indicates that realistic SST representation at high spatial resolution might be a minimum requirement to capture the observed pattern of coastal warming, suggesting that prior projection-based assessments may not have captured key features in this populous region. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 15 minutes ago, bluewave said: They already have acknowledged that it has been increasing and the NE Coast is one of the fastest warming areas of the planet. But the climate models aren’t good enough to show it. So they are looking for theories like AMOC slow down and more +NAO. But we have seen the feature with a -AO like last winter with the south based blocking. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-021-01159-7The northeastern United States (NEUS) and the adjacent Northwest Atlantic Shelf (NWS) have emerged as warming hotspots, but the connection between them remains unexplored. Here we use gridded observational and reanalysis datasets to show that the twentieth-century surface air temperature increase along the coastal NEUS is exceptional on the continental and hemispheric scale and is induced by a combination of two factors: the sea surface temperature (SST) increase in the NWS associated with a weakening Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), and atmospheric circulation changes associated with a more persistent positive North Atlantic Oscillation. These connections are important because AMOC slowdown and NWS warming are projected to continue. A survey of climate model simulations indicates that realistic SST representation at high spatial resolution might be a minimum requirement to capture the observed pattern of coastal warming, suggesting that prior projection-based assessments may not have captured key features in this populous region. The interesting aspect of this is two fold, will it a) increase the rate of icemelt of the Greenland Ice Shelf and b) will it accelerate sea level rise even more than what's currently projected to occur by 2050 and 2100? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclab Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 10 hours ago, snowman19 said: It’s over Johnny, done, finished, stick a fork in it, give it up, fat lady has sung, let it go, game over, bring down the curtain, lights out, say goodnight and goodbye, adios….a former winter. We don’t live at northern New England’s latitude…. Good morning S19. Judging from the number of weeny comments your Eulogy for the cold season garnered …. Anthony’s # 1 Weeny Power Ranking may be in jeopardy. Stay well, as always …. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 3 hours ago, the_other_guy said: Very alarming that entire swaths of winter now get cancelled out with extended +10 type weather. It is the end of March, so no one cares…but a warm month is about to get a whole lot warmer December was a torch, January was actually cold, Feb was warm and March looks like a torch. Another 3-4 week winter lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, LibertyBell said: The interesting aspect of this is two fold, will it a) increase the rate of icemelt of the Greenland Ice Shelf and b) will it accelerate sea level rise even more than what's currently projected to occur by 2050 and 2100? They get into all those questions with the online presentation that was just posted a few weeks ago. Things like the increasing summer dewpoints in recent years. Why did the lower resolution global climate models miss this. How some higher resolution models are doing a better job but are not perfect. Future areas of research to include increasing heavy snowfall and rainfall. We have been noticing these changes. It’s also interesting how many of the storms correct further north in time. Plus week 2 model forecast cool downs that trend less impressive the closer in time the models get. With 7 warm winters in a row, seasonal forecasts need to include this new data. There have been plenty of outlets that have been too cold with nearly all their winter forecasts since 15-16. So they owe it to their clients to absorb the presentation and correct their seasonal forecasts so their clients can make better decisions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Brian5671 said: December was a torch, January was actually cold, Feb was warm and March looks like a torch. Another 3-4 week winter lol. Winters are getting shorter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt8204 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Winters are getting shorter The seasons seem to have shifted a bit also. It stays warm longer in the fall and it often takes longer to get extended periods of nice weather in the spring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadInTheClouds Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 4 hours ago, the_other_guy said: Very alarming that entire swaths of winter now get cancelled out with extended +10 type weather. It is the end of March, so no one cares…but a warm month is about to get a whole lot warmer January was 3.5 below normal and Feb was only 1.5 above. The heart of winter wasn't exactly a heat wave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Another day with high temperatures beating guidance. 65° now at Newark. So Newark moves into 4th place for most 65° days by March 15th. Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Number of Days Max Temperature >= 65 Jan 1 to Mar 15 Missing Count 1 2017-03-15 10 0 2 2000-03-15 7 0 3 1990-03-15 6 0 - 1976-03-15 6 0 4 2020-03-15 5 0 - 2016-03-15 5 0 - 2012-03-15 5 0 - 2008-03-15 5 0 - 2002-03-15 5 0 - 1991-03-15 5 0 - 1974-03-15 5 0 - 1973-03-15 5 0 - 1946-03-15 5 0 2022-03-15 5 0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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