George001 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 I have been watching this window on the models for a week now. The models showed the signal far out, but as we got closer they started burying the southern energy out west. However, the players on the field never left. Like the during the late January blizzard, we have a monster ridge out west with a deep trough in the east. The 12z eps doesn’t quite dig the energy enough to produce a big storm, but the following factors combined with continued favorable trends on the models tonight has me convinced there will be a big storm during the Feb 13-14th timeframe. Pros and cons: pros: 1. Arctic air, 540 line is as far south as the southeastern United States, and there is a strong high to the north. 2. Ridge axis is centered over Washington, which is VERY far west, and argues for a more western low 3. Atlantic ridging Cons: 1. Lack of North Atlantic blocking 2. Timing of the energy isn’t great I am convinced that the models are underestimating how much the northern energy will dig, and that the models will continue to trend more and more amplified. The stronger and farther west the northern energy digs, the more time the southern energy will have to get ahead of the northern energy, and the farther west the phase will happen. If the northern branch digs as much as I think it will, it will phase early enough that we will see a closed off strengthening upper low, which would slow the storm down and allow it to deepen rapidly. The track would also be farther west than what the models have right now, and would result in heavy snow and blizzard conditions in eastern mass. Despite the surface not reflecting it, models have trended more amplified with the western ridge, with a northern branch digging more and farther west. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George001 Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 The Euro appears to be a miss, like the other guidance. However, the Canadian ensembles have trended towards much more amplified northern energy, leading to a massive shift west with the lows as well as increasing the strength of the lows. It is now signaling snow in New England. Lets see what the eps says, I’d like to see continued improvement in the upper levels even if the surface doesn’t reflect it. This far out having the ensembles on board is a big deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Zzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahk_webstah Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Not happening James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Well I’m not saying it can’t happen, but that’s far out and weak support. I don’t see why we start them this early for something so weakly supported, but whatever. Go bananas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 I thought the EPS mean improved, but yeah still needs a ton of work to get something exciting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 15 minutes ago, SouthCoastMA said: I thought the EPS mean improved, but yeah still needs a ton of work to get something exciting It is an improvement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisrotary12 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Is there the thread where we talk about the pattern flip to spring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 36 minutes ago, Chrisrotary12 said: Is there the thread where we talk about the pattern flip to spring? most everyone would rather endlessly bitch and moan about their favorite season, winter 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George001 Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 Wow that is so close to something much bigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 20 minutes ago, Torch Tiger said: most everyone would rather endlessly bitch and moan about their favorite season, winter The "oh, so close" crap does get old by February. I'm all for nicer weather at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 19 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: The "oh, so close" crap does get old by February. I'm all for nicer weather at this point. You and I usually agree though, one major snowstorm is fun but the 3-6"-er slush parade in March is pretty useless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisrotary12 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 I will say that the large scale ridge-trough pattern is there for an east coast storm. However, there are two kickers in the flow mucking things up. The vort over St. Louis dropping in doesn't phase in time and the just off screen vort slamming into British Columbia shifts the whole pattern east. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Fwiw, the 06z EPS trended worse than the 00z EPS which looked interesting. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 18 minutes ago, Torch Tiger said: You and I usually agree though, one major snowstorm is fun but the 3-6"-er slush parade in March is pretty useless Yea, it depends on whether or not I am looking to stat pad, but as it looks right now, I couldn't care less....my snowfall numbers are going to bust and we aren't nearing any type of record, so I just assume rip the damn band aid off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 How many feet we talkin? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Re Valentine's Day ( VDII ?) Short version: I see room for growth in the runs, ensuing. At just about any time through about D4.5 ... this may emerge with more prominence in the runs. If we get to D5 and that has not happen, pull the plug. Long version/philosophy: The EPS behavior over the far E. Pacific/near of the West Coast of mid latitudes is critical - I'm thinking other's must have cited this. I'm not expecting this to be any kind of unique insight. Starting 00z, both it and the GEFs have a modest positive non-hydrostatic height anomaly stretched W-E of 140W/~45N ... Rather abruptly, the next 24 to 48 hours sees that region flare a rather robust positive anomaly, helping to force an arced flow extending to 55 N and concomitantly, ...forcing the flow over ~ 110W/50N to tip into the NW trajectory. This continues onward through D3... That's when things get complicated/interesting... Between D3 and 5, this above ridge progresses/biases its way to the 120W longitude by 120 hours. D5/6 is when we would tend to see a constructive interference feedback on amplitude ... if one is going to exist or make use of this scaffolding behavior, carving S through the NP into the MV...etc... etc. This is why D4 ~5 are critical windows. If that has not begun to happen prior to that range ( 00z through Fri)... heh. The numerical layout of the GEFs telecon is tepidly supportive .. very modest suggestion here: That may be okay.... The blizzard recently was also led by this sort of flatter presentation of PNA disturbance. Graphical reliance helps bridge the uncertainty as to whether anything at all would actually be there... heh. I mean we should be doing that anyway - I admittedly have relied on just one or the other when one or the other's signal became overwhelming...blah blah. Anyway, it is noted this above GEF -based ... it is not the EPS. The EPS curve may be more representing... The 00z/08 mean of the EPS dailies also now closes off a modest low E of Hat on D7, which is a better performance/fix compared to 24 hours ago. So a trend may be emerging... Given to the above aspects, there's room here to monitor. That, and fact that this is still 7 days away, notwithstanding.. I mean, not allowing the erstwhile disenchanted rigor of the season cloud one's objectivity ... very difficult I deserve a pat on the back LOL. I gotta say... it's been tough. Every system we threaded for, has worked out to be a legit system delivery large doses of disappointment - in general. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Too many negatives. Then when we do make any sort of improvements, the double saggy boob lows will surface to muck it up for the west crowd. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 1 minute ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: Too many negatives. Then when we do make any sort of improvements, the double saggy boob lows will surface to muck it up for the west of I95 crowd. Fixed lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Fixed lol Yea. We need one big d that gets squeezed on a harwich weenie instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 For muse only - the 12z ICON arrived quite significant+, for HFD-PWM and Phin country 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 1 hour ago, The 4 Seasons said: How many feet we talkin? At least this many... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Lets see how awful the models will be with this storm. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 1 hour ago, The 4 Seasons said: How many feet we talkin? Start at 3 ...You can always adjust down (or up) from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Lets see how awful the models will be with this storm. Gfs is going the wrong way already. This one needs a long life rope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 17 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: Gfs is going the wrong way already. This one needs a long life rope. GGEM and Ukie are duds too....this one is in the ICU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 17 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: Gfs is going the wrong way already. This one needs a long life rope. everything except ICoN looked pretty bad GFS, GEFS, CMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Thank god I didn't waste any time on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 24 minutes ago, SouthCoastMA said: everything except ICoN looked pretty bad GFS, GEFS, CMC I'm holding my breath. Do I dare ask? How's the Navy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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