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I think we are going to see wild temperature swings in March. TRUE torch conditions (not 50 degree fake torch days that average out to a record month), however 60 degree plus days.

I also think we will have strong cold shots when cutters pass. 

I am hesitant to say "winter is over" as this is a perfect weak trailing wave light snow event setup.

Just looking at the GFS show multiple coating to 2 inch events. We will not have the pesky negative NAO to cause compression this time (December was a disaster cool and dry).

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23 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Boxing Day must've been a severe undermeasurement at ISLIP.  No way they only had 14.9 for the entire month when NYC got 20" just in one storm.  I never trust ISLIP snowfall stats anyway.

 

The measurement for Boxing Day at ISP was correct. The best  banding with that one was closer to NE NJ. Much less out across Suffolk.

https://www.weather.gov/okx/storm12262010

SUFFOLK COUNTY...
   UPTON                 18.8   100 PM 12/27  NWS OFFICE
   NORTH BABYLON         18.5   845 AM 12/27  PUBLIC
   PATCHOGUE             17.0   900 AM 12/27  PUBLIC
   CENTEREACH            17.0   930 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER
   WEST ISLIP            16.0  1215 PM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER
   EAST NORTHPORT        15.5   715 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER
   SOUND BEACH           15.5  1200 PM 12/27  NWS EMPLOYEE
   NORTHPORT             15.2   138 PM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER
   CENTERPORT            15.0   650 AM 12/27  COOP-OBSERVER
   BLUE POINT            15.0  1100 AM 12/27  PUBLIC
   EAST SETAUKET         15.0   715 AM 12/27  PUBLIC
   MOUNT SINAI           14.2  1255 PM 12/27  NWS EMPLOYEE
   ISLIP AIRPORT         14.2   100 PM 12/27  FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER
   QUOGUE                14.0  1100 AM 12/27  PUBLIC
   SHOREHAM              14.0   900 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER
   SAYVILLE              14.0  1000 AM 12/27  PUBLIC
   HOLBROOK              12.5   900 AM 12/27  PUBLIC
   BAITING HOLLOW        12.0   145 PM 12/27  PUBLIC
   SMITHTOWN             11.5  1000 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER
   PORT JEFFERSON        11.0   800 AM 12/27  PUBLIC
   DIX HILLS             10.7   900 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER
   FLANDERS              10.0   620 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER
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What do we know about this? Impact here?

 

from Ventrice below:

The Madden Julian Oscillation is the strongest we've seen since last November. But you wouldn't know this if you were looking at the ECMWF's prediction of the MJO in the real-time multivariate MJO index. This is a time where the RMM index is failing at identifying this event.
 

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The measurement for Boxing Day at ISP was correct. The best  banding with that one was closer to NE NJ. Much less out across Suffolk.
https://www.weather.gov/okx/storm12262010
SUFFOLK COUNTY...  UPTON                 18.8   100 PM 12/27  NWS OFFICE  NORTH BABYLON         18.5   845 AM 12/27  PUBLIC  PATCHOGUE             17.0   900 AM 12/27  PUBLIC  CENTEREACH            17.0   930 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER  WEST ISLIP            16.0  1215 PM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER  EAST NORTHPORT        15.5   715 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER  SOUND BEACH           15.5  1200 PM 12/27  NWS EMPLOYEE  NORTHPORT             15.2   138 PM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER  CENTERPORT            15.0   650 AM 12/27  COOP-OBSERVER  BLUE POINT            15.0  1100 AM 12/27  PUBLIC  EAST SETAUKET         15.0   715 AM 12/27  PUBLIC  MOUNT SINAI           14.2  1255 PM 12/27  NWS EMPLOYEE  ISLIP AIRPORT         14.2   100 PM 12/27  FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER  QUOGUE                14.0  1100 AM 12/27  PUBLIC  SHOREHAM              14.0   900 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER  SAYVILLE              14.0  1000 AM 12/27  PUBLIC  HOLBROOK              12.5   900 AM 12/27  PUBLIC  BAITING HOLLOW        12.0   145 PM 12/27  PUBLIC  SMITHTOWN             11.5  1000 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER  PORT JEFFERSON        11.0   800 AM 12/27  PUBLIC  DIX HILLS             10.7   900 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER  FLANDERS              10.0   620 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER

Yep, the death bands were over Monmouth, Staten Island and eastern Union counties for that one.
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7 minutes ago, SI Mailman said:
1 hour ago, bluewave said:
The measurement for Boxing Day at ISP was correct. The best  banding with that one was closer to NE NJ. Much less out across Suffolk.
https://www.weather.gov/okx/storm12262010
SUFFOLK COUNTY...  UPTON                 18.8   100 PM 12/27  NWS OFFICE  NORTH BABYLON         18.5   845 AM 12/27  PUBLIC  PATCHOGUE             17.0   900 AM 12/27  PUBLIC  CENTEREACH            17.0   930 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER  WEST ISLIP            16.0  1215 PM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER  EAST NORTHPORT        15.5   715 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER  SOUND BEACH           15.5  1200 PM 12/27  NWS EMPLOYEE  NORTHPORT             15.2   138 PM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER  CENTERPORT            15.0   650 AM 12/27  COOP-OBSERVER  BLUE POINT            15.0  1100 AM 12/27  PUBLIC  EAST SETAUKET         15.0   715 AM 12/27  PUBLIC  MOUNT SINAI           14.2  1255 PM 12/27  NWS EMPLOYEE  ISLIP AIRPORT         14.2   100 PM 12/27  FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER  QUOGUE                14.0  1100 AM 12/27  PUBLIC  SHOREHAM              14.0   900 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER  SAYVILLE              14.0  1000 AM 12/27  PUBLIC  HOLBROOK              12.5   900 AM 12/27  PUBLIC  BAITING HOLLOW        12.0   145 PM 12/27  PUBLIC  SMITHTOWN             11.5  1000 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER  PORT JEFFERSON        11.0   800 AM 12/27  PUBLIC  DIX HILLS             10.7   900 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER  FLANDERS              10.0   620 AM 12/27  TRAINED SPOTTER
 

 

Yep, the death bands were over Monmouth, Staten Island and eastern Union counties for that one.

Heart Boxing Day blizzard 

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49 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

Heart Boxing Day blizzard 

I was in North Brunswick at the time. My then girlfriend / future wife and I were snowed in by 4+ foot snow drifts in our ground floor apartment. Was absolutely insane. 
 

That storm also was phenomenal where we live now down in Ocean. A true coastal snow bomb. 

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4 hours ago, EastonSN+ said:

I think we are going to see wild temperature swings in March. TRUE torch conditions (not 50 degree fake torch days that average out to a record month), however 60 degree plus days.

I also think we will have strong cold shots when cutters pass. 

I am hesitant to say "winter is over" as this is a perfect weak trailing wave light snow event setup.

Just looking at the GFS show multiple coating to 2 inch events. We will not have the pesky negative NAO to cause compression this time (December was a disaster cool and dry).

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After it’s absolutely abysmal, pathetic performance with this last event and many others this winter….the GFS could show that the sun is going to rise tomorrow morning and I wouldn’t believe it. The fact that it’s ranking at #4 among the other models is very telling 

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53 minutes ago, snowman19 said:

After it’s absolutely abysmal, pathetic performance with this last event and many others this winter….the GFS could show that the sun is going to rise tomorrow morning and I wouldn’t believe it. The fact that it’s ranking at #4 among the other models is very telling 

Euro also did bad 

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4 hours ago, MJO812 said:

Euro also did bad 

When you have a setup like we just had and you have goofball model runs showing snow in NYC, it’s obvious that you just completely and totally disregard them and go with reality, basic meteorology and physics. You don’t get midlevel low tracks like we just had along with the associated midlevel warm nose and have snow in New York City or anywhere close to New York City, anyone who believed that needs to go back to met school. Those models were on crack showing anything but just sleet and rain given those torched midlevel soundings. This was nothing more than a ping fest and an impressive ping/sleet fest at that I will admit, but still a sleet fest to rain none the less 

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47 minutes ago, snowman19 said:

When you have a setup like we just had and you have goofball model runs showing snow in NYC, it’s obvious that you just completely and totally disregard them and go with reality, basic meteorology and physics. You don’t get midlevel low tracks like we just had along with the associated midlevel warm nose and have snow in New York City or anywhere close to New York City, anyone who believed that needs to go back to met school. Those models were on crack showing anything but just sleet and rain given those torched midlevel soundings. This was nothing more than a ping fest and an impressive ping/sleet fest at that I will admit, but still a sleet fest to rain none the less 

Even a place like Boston didn't get the amount of snow they expected....I don't see 8 inch amounts coming in from that region

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6 hours ago, snowman19 said:

After it’s absolutely abysmal, pathetic performance with this last event and many others this winter….the GFS could show that the sun is going to rise tomorrow morning and I wouldn’t believe it. The fact that it’s ranking at #4 among the other models is very telling 

 

5 hours ago, MJO812 said:

Euro also did bad 

I don't think any of then were that bad. 

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59 minutes ago, snowman19 said:

When you have a setup like we just had and you have goofball model runs showing snow in NYC, it’s obvious that you just completely and totally disregard them and go with reality, basic meteorology and physics. You don’t get midlevel low tracks like we just had along with the associated midlevel warm nose and have snow in New York City or anywhere close to New York City, anyone who believed that needs to go back to met school. Those models were on crack showing anything but just sleet and rain given those torched midlevel soundings. This was nothing more than a ping fest and an impressive ping/sleet fest at that I will admit, but still a sleet fest to rain none the less 

Agree. Except I don't think the models were that bad.   It seemed clear what was going to happen for several days.  I understand we live in a densely populated area so being 20 miles off on the 0c line (at multiple layers of the atmosphere) will make a large different to a lot of people but it doesn't mean the models were bad. 

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The models were not that bad. This was what I expected for a large chunk of the area. And Snowman was certainly not correct either. Lots of local ski areas reported 5+ inches before a change to sleet. It looks like winter in southern and northern Westchester this morning. Stop the bickering. This has been a decent winter so far. (Outside of December) 

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