HeadInTheClouds Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, snowman19 said: @AllsnowCall me crazy but I think the models may be too aggressive/overdone with the EPO/PNA pump for early March, we have seen this many times in the past few winters. Then they correct weaker or even lose it as we get closer in time….I don’t think they lose it but I can certainly see them correct weaker. There is also a very real possibility that the gradient sets up to our north and we end up on the wrong/warm side of it, some of the operational runs in all 3 major globals have shown this possibility Who's we? There is a big difference in climo between I84 and Long island and coastal Jersey. All globals showing a wintry possibility N and W. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmillz25 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, snowman19 said: @AllsnowCall me crazy but I think the models may be too aggressive/overdone with the EPO/PNA pump for early March, we have seen this many times in the past few winters. Then they correct weaker or even lose it as we get closer in time….I don’t think they lose it but I can certainly see them correct weaker. There is also a very real possibility that the gradient sets up to our north and we end up on the wrong/warm side of it, some of the operational runs in all 3 major globals have shown this possibility Why are you like this lol. But honestly there is always that possibility. It’s a wait and see at this point 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcanic Winter Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 48 minutes ago, HeadInTheClouds said: We never go through a winter without warmer periods. Things look to change late Feb into early March. Well, of course we always have warm days in winter here. The point was (and was verified by a chart posted a couple pages back) that the number of 60 degree days in winter here is steadily increasing as the overall climate system warms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Gfs showing a better cold press so far for next week 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HVSnowLover Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Volcanic Winter said: Well, of course we always have warm days in winter here. The point was (and was verified by a chart posted a couple pages back) that the number of 60 degree days in winter here is steadily increasing as the overall climate system warms. I am definitely a believer that global warming is real and concerning but this winter is probably not a great example since we've been in the icebox for the mostpart basically since the start of January. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, dmillz25 said: Why are you like this lol. But honestly there is always that possibility. It’s a wait and see at this point He's a troll. Ignore it. He's been hilariously wrong all year and gets things right about as often as a dead clock. So far the ensembles are favorable for late Feb into March. Can they change warmer, sure, but until that happens the colder path is more probable. 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HVSnowLover Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 This storm for next Friday is showing up on basically every run of every model and it's coming across the country so not likely it will just dissapear but the question is if it's going to be a wintry event or a cutter that changes the pattern. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowshack Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, HVSnowLover said: I am definitely a believer that global warming is real and concerning but this winter is probably not a great example since we've been in the icebox for the mostpart basically since the start of January. What about December and February both being AN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcanic Winter Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 25 minutes ago, HVSnowLover said: I am definitely a believer that global warming is real and concerning but this winter is probably not a great example since we've been in the icebox for the mostpart basically since the start of January. Absolutely, not every specific event is tied to it and and extreme, variable weather always occurred. Was just making a general point not specific to this winter per se. As someone who enjoys the cold, I simply try to cherish each cold day that we get. Or perhaps, I should’ve just been born during the LIA. People were a bit stinkier back then but I’d be in my winter glory nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboLeader1 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 63 here, it feels good not wearing a heavy jacket & gloves for once. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcanic Winter Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Warmth appears to be overperforming a bit at my two locations. 65 at work in Hillside and 65 at my house in TR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 66 degrees here. What a day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intensewind002 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 hours ago, guinness77 said: Another 60+mph wind event…ho-hum, nothing to see here They’ve become the norm dating back to March 2010, I think we got one at least once a year now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 12z GGEM shows a significant winter storm next thursday night into friday. Snow to ice back to snow. Obviously a long way to go, but we certainly have something to watch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 45 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said: He's a troll. Ignore it. He's been hilariously wrong all year and gets things right about as often as a dead clock. So far the ensembles are favorable for late Feb into March. Can they change warmer, sure, but until that happens the colder path is more probable. You are the worst poster here, hands down. You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 23 minutes ago, Volcanic Winter said: Warmth appears to be overperforming a bit at my two locations. 65 at work in Hillside and 65 at my house in TR. As we continue to warm, it’s easier for the warmth to beat model guidance. We started out with one of the warmest Decembers on record. While January was our coldest in years, the cold wasn’t anywhere close to the magnitude of the warmth in December. The average around 30° was well outside top 10 coldest range that we have experienced in the past. The back and forth February makes the cold days seem colder. But the warm days have been setting records. So the record warmth will result in a warmer than average February and winter as a whole. This will be our 7th warmer than average winter in a row. 3rd warmest December in NYC against 55th coldest January. 2004 was the last time that January almost made it to top 10 coldest. Warmest Decembers Time Series Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY - Month of DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Mean Avg Temperature Missing Count 1 2015 50.8 0 2 2001 44.1 0 3 2021 43.8 0 4 1984 43.7 0 5 2006 43.6 0 6 2011 43.3 0 7 1998 43.1 0 8 1982 42.7 0 9 1990 42.6 0 10 1891 42.5 0 11 1994 42.2 0 12 1923 42.0 0 13 2012 41.5 0 14 1996 41.3 0 - 1953 41.3 0 16 1979 41.1 0 17 1956 40.9 0 - 1931 40.9 0 19 1971 40.8 0 20 2014 40.5 0 - 1965 40.5 0 22 1957 40.2 0 23 2018 40.1 0 Coldest Januaries Time Series Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY - Month of JanClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Mean Avg Temperature Missing Count 1 1918 21.7 0 2 1977 22.0 0 3 1888 23.2 0 4 1920 23.4 0 5 1875 23.6 1 6 1912 23.7 0 7 1893 23.8 0 8 1883 24.4 0 9 1884 24.5 0 10 1881 24.6 0 11 2004 24.7 0 12 1940 25.0 0 13 1970 25.1 0 14 1945 25.2 0 15 1904 25.3 0 16 1948 25.4 0 17 1994 25.5 0 18 1879 25.9 2 19 1886 26.0 0 20 1982 26.1 0 21 1981 26.2 0 22 1968 26.7 0 23 1971 26.9 0 24 1976 27.3 0 25 1873 27.4 0 26 2003 27.5 0 27 1961 27.7 0 - 1877 27.7 0 29 2009 27.9 0 30 1978 28.0 0 31 1871 28.1 2 32 1922 28.2 0 33 1887 28.3 0 - 1882 28.3 0 35 1925 28.4 0 36 1957 28.5 0 37 2014 28.6 0 38 1985 28.8 0 - 1935 28.8 0 40 1885 29.1 0 - 1872 29.1 0 42 1936 29.3 0 - 1905 29.3 0 44 1941 29.4 0 45 1988 29.5 0 46 1965 29.6 0 - 1895 29.6 0 48 2011 29.7 0 49 2015 29.9 0 - 1984 29.9 0 - 1923 29.9 0 - 1878 29.9 0 53 1896 30.0 0 54 1963 30.1 0 55 2022 30.3 0 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatamy Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Up to 62 here with a recent wind gust to 33mph. Winds are starting to crank out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Less clouds now and temperatures really soaring. 66F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Nyc 65 Ewr 67 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Now up to 67 here. No surprise that the warmth is overperforming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rjay said: Nyc 65 Ewr 67 Full of win 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Allsnow said: Full of win 68 now at ewr lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Wild it was just in the teens a couple days ago and it'll be back in the teens a couple days from now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcanic Winter Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, bluewave said: As we continue to warm, it’s easier for the warmth to beat model guidance. We started out with one of the warmest Decembers on record. While January was our coldest in years, the cold wasn’t anywhere close to the magnitude of the warmth in December. The average around 30° was well outside top 10 coldest range that we have experienced in the past. The back and forth February makes the cold days seem colder. But the warm days have been setting records. So the record warmth will result in a warmer than average February and winter as a whole. This will be our 7th warmer than average winter in a row. 3rd warmest December in NYC against 55th coldest January. 2004 was the last time that January almost made it to top 10 coldest. Warmest Decembers Time Series Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY - Month of DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Mean Avg Temperature Missing Count 1 2015 50.8 0 2 2001 44.1 0 3 2021 43.8 0 4 1984 43.7 0 5 2006 43.6 0 6 2011 43.3 0 7 1998 43.1 0 8 1982 42.7 0 9 1990 42.6 0 10 1891 42.5 0 11 1994 42.2 0 12 1923 42.0 0 13 2012 41.5 0 14 1996 41.3 0 - 1953 41.3 0 16 1979 41.1 0 17 1956 40.9 0 - 1931 40.9 0 19 1971 40.8 0 20 2014 40.5 0 - 1965 40.5 0 22 1957 40.2 0 23 2018 40.1 0 Coldest Januaries Time Series Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY - Month of JanClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Mean Avg Temperature Missing Count 1 1918 21.7 0 2 1977 22.0 0 3 1888 23.2 0 4 1920 23.4 0 5 1875 23.6 1 6 1912 23.7 0 7 1893 23.8 0 8 1883 24.4 0 9 1884 24.5 0 10 1881 24.6 0 11 2004 24.7 0 12 1940 25.0 0 13 1970 25.1 0 14 1945 25.2 0 15 1904 25.3 0 16 1948 25.4 0 17 1994 25.5 0 18 1879 25.9 2 19 1886 26.0 0 20 1982 26.1 0 21 1981 26.2 0 22 1968 26.7 0 23 1971 26.9 0 24 1976 27.3 0 25 1873 27.4 0 26 2003 27.5 0 27 1961 27.7 0 - 1877 27.7 0 29 2009 27.9 0 30 1978 28.0 0 31 1871 28.1 2 32 1922 28.2 0 33 1887 28.3 0 - 1882 28.3 0 35 1925 28.4 0 36 1957 28.5 0 37 2014 28.6 0 38 1985 28.8 0 - 1935 28.8 0 40 1885 29.1 0 - 1872 29.1 0 42 1936 29.3 0 - 1905 29.3 0 44 1941 29.4 0 45 1988 29.5 0 46 1965 29.6 0 - 1895 29.6 0 48 2011 29.7 0 49 2015 29.9 0 - 1984 29.9 0 - 1923 29.9 0 - 1878 29.9 0 53 1896 30.0 0 54 1963 30.1 0 55 2022 30.3 0 Bluewave, I say this with great respect for the other intelligent posters here that contribute insightful commentary and information, but if I could choose the “A WX Best User of Winter 21-22” award, it would be going to you. Always contributing useful and relevant analysis and information. In my short time here it’s much appreciated. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tek1972 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 This storm for next Friday is showing up on basically every run of every model and it's coming across the country so not likely it will just dissapear but the question is if it's going to be a wintry event or a cutter that changes the pattern. Starting first week in March snow quickly melts on roads after the storm. So that is ideal for me. Like the look, hate the travel. By the second week in March I barely need to shovel my driveway with less than six inches Sent from my SM-G998U using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MJO812 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Full of win I'm sweating Not good 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Volcanic Winter said: Bluewave, I say this with great respect for the other intelligent posters here that contribute insightful commentary and information, but if I could choose the “A WX Best User of Winter 21-22” award, it would be going to you. Always contributing useful and relevant analysis and information. In my short time here it’s much appreciated. Thanks for the compliments. I enjoy your posts also. The Xmacis2 site allows for us to put everything in context. The volatility in these patterns certainly introduces challenges for long range forecasting. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, MJO812 said: I'm sweating Not good I find 60s very comfortable. Looking forward to running with a t-shirt on this afternoon. I love winter and snow, but it's nice to have some of these very warm days mixed in. I don't mind the more Colorado style winters that we've had in recent years, with the combination of warmer temps but still getting plenty of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 11:52 AM, wthrmn654 said: A torch is defined as being 10 or more above normal temperatures. With that said, in the OKX region, no records are expected to be broken as there in the mid- upper 60s. oopsy doopsy 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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