Solution Man Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, weathercoins said: What is the area in black? This is a garbled mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTy Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Just now, Solution Man said: This is a garbled mess I actually think it's pretty genius if there's any method behind the madness. From what I've seen I doubt that's the case so you're probably right. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSN+ Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Has anyone checked the weather models to see if they have Covid? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecacti Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 My word. Boston in shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I didn't want to post this earlier when there was still a lot of hope and guidance was coming in but some thoughts I've had watching the "tracking" unfold for this event. 1) Know the bias of the guidance for the situation. The euro and NAM have a known bias to over amplify systems and phase too quickly in NS/SS phase situations. So seeing them as the only guidance the last 48 hours that was REALLY good...shouldn't have really excited much. If something is real it should show up on guidance other then the one that ALWAYS shows that because of a bias. 2) Don't fall prey to our own bias to look for positives and dismiss negatives. Example: if the NAM has a great run at 0z, then an awful one at 6z, then at 12z it trends better than 6z but not quite back to 0z...thats not a "good trend". That means the NAM is just bouncing around within a range of options and overall we are no better off then 12 hours ago. Likewise for an entire suite of guidance. If the ICON was the furthest east and shifts west...that isn't a west trend. Its the ICON coming in line with consensus. If the euro was great and has a bad run...then the GFS trends better...we didnt actually gain any ground. Models are just shifting around within their envelope of likely outcomes. In the end of the suite we were still on the NW fringes of all possible outcomes in terms of significant snowfall. We needed the most extreme NW members of all model runs for each suite, including ensembles, to be correct to get a big snowstorm. Just because there would be one or two pieces of guidance that spit out that solution didnt ever make it the likely outcome. 3) There is no guarantee a "trend" will continue. I am NOT going to argue what a trend is. Call it what you want. I don't care. But when someone says "its still a miss but its heading the right way" I cringe inside. No its not. It's not heading anywhere. It's just one simulation based on the current data available. The next run could easily get worse. But if something got better some people seem to set the expectation that it will continue the same "trend" the following run. That sets us up for disappointment. 4) Inside 100 hours HUGE shifts in our favor become a lot less likely. Outside 100 hours we see major synoptic changes all the time. But once inside 100 hours the guidance has been really good, if you ignore a random fluke outliers and focus on the consensus each run, with the general setup. A lot of these situations lately we are taking very unfavorable synoptic setups inside 100 hours and trying to will the storm into what we want. I'm doing it too! But when we get these minor changes in a model that get it closer to a snowstorm for us...the odds are never that those improvements will continue run after run until its a snow for us. Odds are it was just a minor permutation and the next run is just as likely to shift back the other way because there is a reason its still a miss and is a miss on the preponderance of evidence...the synoptic setup likely isn't right in some way. I think the days of us saying "thats right where I want it" once its inside 100 hours are over. You know where I want it at 80 hours now....over us. This willing it north or south or west just fail's 90% of the time. The models have become a lot better. That doesn't mean we dont still see details ironed out. There will be changes to details. And sometimes...there can still be a true bust where some factor is not handled right and a storm shifts...but its going to be the vast minority of the time not the majority. We dont' want a storm 200 miles away in any direction inside 5 days out anymore. Truth is the storms end up pretty close to what the guidance shows once they start to converge on a general idea usually around 100 hours out lately most of the time. 5) big amped up phased storms are a lot of fun to track but not our best bet for snow in a progressive pattern. Boundary waves are the best bet to get snow here without blocking. Unfortunately we are getting a reminder in how frustrating a pacific driven cold pattern without Atlantic blocking can be. Truth is if we want a high probability of a big snowstorm we need BOTH. But we can definitely score waves moving west to east along a boundary in a gradient type pattern without blocking. Just need luck with wave spacing. 18 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayyy Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I’m honestly interested in the PRE that LWX mentions in their AFD. Pete Mullinax also refers to this in his twitter thread; the possibility of enhanced snowfall / banding in our area from the NS wave. It appears the NS wave overperforming is many of our best shot to see appreciable snowfall at this point, except for CAPE’s area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anyweather Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 23 minutes ago, clskinsfan said: Funny thing is that looks exactly like that long range GFS map I posted a week ago and said I was going to blow a gasket if it was right. What exactly are we looking at in your gif? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockem_sockem_connection Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, psuhoffman said: I didn't want to post this earlier when there was still a lot of hope and guidance was coming in but some thoughts I've had watching the "tracking" unfold for this event. 1) Know the bias of the guidance for the situation. The euro and NAM have a known bias to over amplify systems and phase too quickly in NS/SS phase situations. So seeing them as the only guidance the last 48 hours that was REALLY good...shouldn't have really excited much. If something is real it should show up on guidance other then the one that ALWAYS shows that because of a bias. 2) Don't fall prey to our own bias to look for positives and dismiss negatives. Example: if the NAM has a great run at 0z, then an awful one at 6z, then at 12z it trends better than 6z but not quite back to 0z...thats not a "good trend". That means the NAM is just bouncing around within a range of options and overall we are no better off then 12 hours ago. Likewise for an entire suite of guidance. If the ICON was the furthest east and shifts west...that isn't a west trend. Its the ICON coming in line with consensus. If the euro was great and has a bad run...then the GFS trends better...we didnt actually gain any ground. Models are just shifting around within their envelope of likely outcomes. In the end of the suite we were still on the NW fringes of all possible outcomes in terms of significant snowfall. We needed the most extreme NW members of all model runs for each suite, including ensembles, to be correct to get a big snowstorm. Just because there would be one or two pieces of guidance that spit out that solution didnt ever make it the likely outcome. 3) There is no guarantee a "trend" will continue. I am NOT going to argue what a trend is. Call it what you want. I don't care. But when someone says "its still a miss but its heading the right way" I cringe inside. No its not. It's not heading anywhere. It's just one simulation based on the current data available. The next run could easily get worse. But if something got better some people seem to set the expectation that it will continue the same "trend" the following run. That sets us up for disappointment. 4) Inside 100 hours HUGE shifts in our favor become a lot less likely. Outside 100 hours we see major synoptic changes all the time. But once inside 100 hours the guidance has been really good, if you ignore a random fluke outliers and focus on the consensus each run, with the general setup. A lot of these situations lately we are taking very unfavorable synoptic setups inside 100 hours and trying to will the storm into what we want. I'm doing it too! But when we get these minor changes in a model that get it closer to a snowstorm for us...the odds are never that those improvements will continue run after run until its a snow for us. Odds are it was just a minor permutation and the next run is just as likely to shift back the other way because there is a reason its still a miss and is a miss on the preponderance of evidence...the synoptic setup likely isn't right in some way. I think the days of us saying "thats right where I want it" once its inside 100 hours are over. You know where I want it at 80 hours now....over us. This willing it north or south or west just fail's 90% of the time. The models have become a lot better. That doesn't mean we dont still see details ironed out. There will be changes to details. And sometimes...there can still be a true bust where some factor is not handled right and a storm shifts...but its going to be the vast minority of the time not the majority. We dont' want a storm 200 miles away in any direction inside 5 days out anymore. Truth is the storms end up pretty close to what the guidance shows once they start to converge on a general idea usually around 100 hours out lately most of the time. 5) big amped up phased storms are a lot of fun to track but not our best bet for snow in a progressive pattern. Boundary waves are the best bet to get snow here without blocking. Unfortunately we are getting a reminder in how frustrating a pacific driven cold pattern without Atlantic blocking can be. Truth is if we want a high probability of a big snowstorm we need BOTH. But we can definitely score waves moving west to east along a boundary in a gradient type pattern without blocking. Just need luck with wave spacing. I said this yesterday, got grilled. Glad someone more articulate can make better sense than me. Thank you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldie 22 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 On 1/25/2022 at 12:04 PM, leesburg 04 said: Every shift nails the same locations while the fringe areas stay relatively consistent. I'm no expert but I do have to pay attention to trends and details in my work and what I notice is despite all of the shifts and changes at any hour the end results aren't changing drastically so to me that says we probably have seen something close to the final solution save a few tweaks. Again, hope i'm wrong but if my area gets 2-4" that will cover everything and look gorgeous and I can be happy with that. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baltimorewx Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, jayyy said: I’m honestly interested in the PRE that LWX mentions in their AFD. Pete Mullinax also refers to this in his twitter thread; the possibility of enhanced snowfall / banding in our area from the NS wave. It appears the NS wave overperforming is many of our best shot to see appreciable snowfall at this point, except for CAPE’s area. We just need it not to go way south like the NAMs/ICON just did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravens94 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 We need a good gfs run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayyy Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Rockem_sockem_connection said: I said this yesterday, got grilled. Glad someone more articulate can make better sense than me. Thank you. It wasn’t what you said. It was how you said it friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayyy Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Stage 5 meltdown in progress in the NE forum. Oof. NAM GFS ICON and RGEM all crumbled after showing 1-3 feet for days. That’s rough. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSN+ Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Ravens94 said: We need a good gfs run Got bad news for ya. It’s not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravens94 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Just now, TSSN+ said: Got bad news for ya. It’s not happening. We shall see in 10 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockem_sockem_connection Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, jayyy said: It wasn’t what you said. It was how you said it friend. I hold no grudges jayyy. I am sorry I could not word it like this fine poster did. The poster did a good job and is spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristowWx Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Just now, Ravens94 said: We shall see in 10 minutes I like your spirit. You have moxie. At this point nothing would shock me. Apps runner on the GFS? Sure 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prestige Worldwide Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ravens94 said: We need a good gfs run Or at least a good adult libation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlewis1111 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, jayyy said: Stage 5 meltdown in progress in the NE forum. Oof. NAM Euro ICON and RGEM all whiffed after showing 1-3 feet for days. That’s rough. euro is showing 37 inches for boston. Why you spreading fake news? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sernest14 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Ignoring everything above - here's hoping the GFS pulls us back in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Man Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ravens94 said: We shall see in 10 minutes It will be a swift death 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, WEATHER53 said: I was hoping I had foundThePlace! Chincoteagues for $16.99 a dozen can’t be beat. That’s damn good 17/doz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayyy Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, jlewis1111 said: euro is showing 37 inches for boston. Why you spreading fake news? My apologies. So… one model (with a known bias to overdo phasing and the western flank of coastals) as the rest lost 1-2 feet of digital snow. Not much better :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeesburgWx Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 We should have all known this was a Hatteras snowstorm. Shame on us for chasing this for a week now. I feel bad for those who bought non-refundable plane tickets to Boston to chase… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 At least the 18z RGEM didn't shat the bed. Looks about the same as 12z. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayyy Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I may still head to see my family up north depending on how this all shakes out at 0z Its pretty wild how differently each model is still handling the energy in the SW at this range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSN+ Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Booked my hotel for this storm. 2 17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceFrederickWx Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 27 minutes ago, weathercoins said: What is the area in black? My head is hurting trying to figure this map out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Smith Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, stormtracker said: If I'm ever in a war, pinned down in a foxhole with enemy troops advancing on me from every direction, I want Roger Smith in there with me. He'd take out his M16 and look out into the battlefield, seeing 20 tanks, 40 howitzers on all sides and 400 troops closing in and tell me, with a straight face...."dude, we are going to f*ck them up!" At the end of the day, the weather can let us down, just like politics or life in general, but then we have this: so to the GFS, the Euro, the GEM, NAM and the rest I say Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Schubert and Mendelsohn ... deal with it. Fix up your craft and reach the stars. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarReenactor Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, TSSN+ said: Booked my hotel for this storm. I can still see land, so you will probably be too far west. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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