zero26800 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 17 hours ago, TugHillMatt said: When I moved from Lancaster to DuBois, it was definitely a shock. The biggest differences I noticed were the ability for car doors to freeze shut in the middle of the day, snow showers that actually can accumulate somewhat easily during the heat of the day, and significantly lower dewpoints/humidity (so splendid!) during the summers. I currently live on brockway. Happening right now. Heavy snow out of nowhere. Doesn't always accumulate but there are times when its what causes so many accidents on 80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 24 minutes ago, medmax said: Moving from Hershey to State College next month. When we visit family in Philipsburg, it’s shocking how much of a climate change it is. I grew up on the York/Adams border and had an idea, but it’s still shocking how different the weather is when you step out of the car. There's even a stark difference between State College and Philipsburg. I graduated (and lived) from Penn State, and often made the trip on 322 back from State College to DuBois. It was always a journey of several microclimates. When you travel from Hershey up to the Allegheny Plateau via 322, it gets increasingly more wintry over each successive mountain ridge. 1st Change: Slight change as you work your way up the hills from Harrisburg to Lewistown. 2nd Change: Seven Mountains (Ridge past Milroy) 3rd Change: The ridges around Tussey and between Centre Hall and Pleasant Gap 4th Change: The ridge that runs between State College and Port Matilda 5th Change: The ridge between Port Matilda and Philipsburg - runs to the NE to the Snowshoe area on 80. 6th Change: The Woodland area before Clearfield - always snowier 7th and BIGGEST change: Clearfield Mountain between Clearfield and DuBois. (The Rockton area.) Over 2,000 feet in elevation - HUGE microclimate (in all times of the year) that I spent years driving through. Lots of ice storms and heavier snow there - Thunderstorms were always way worse as well (hail storms common). I actually worked on top of that mountain and it snowed an inch in the 3rd week of JUNE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, zero26800 said: I currently live on brockway. Happening right now. Heavy snow out of nowhere. Doesn't always accumulate but there are times when its what causes so many accidents on 80 Nice! I am quite familiar with Brockway. Went to their awesome Fourth of July celebration several summers. Bro in law's family lives there. That moisture from the lakes gets squeezed out by orographic lift on those ridges. It usually amounts to only an inch or so that can melt quickly if the sun comes back out. Growing up in SE PA, I wasn't accustomed to black ice during the day time when the sun was shining. Different story up there on the Plateau... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Festus Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Of course long range is sketchy at best but with nothing in the next week, is our window Days 8-14? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mount Joy Snowman Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 29 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: There's even a stark difference between State College and Philipsburg. I graduated (and lived) from Penn State, and often made the trip on 322 back from State College to DuBois. It was always a journey of several microclimates. When you travel from Hershey up to the Allegheny Plateau via 322, it gets increasingly more wintry over each successive mountain ridge. 1st Change: Slight change as you work your way up the hills from Harrisburg to Lewistown. 2nd Change: Seven Mountains (Ridge past Milroy) 3rd Change: The ridges around Tussey and between Centre Hall and Pleasant Gap 4th Change: The ridge that runs between State College and Port Matilda 5th Change: The ridge between Port Matilda and Philipsburg - runs to the NE to the Snowshoe area on 80. 6th Change: The Woodland area before Clearfield - always snowier 7th and BIGGEST change: Clearfield Mountain between Clearfield and DuBois. (The Rockton area.) Over 2,000 feet in elevation - HUGE microclimate (in all times of the year) that I spent years driving through. Lots of ice storms and heavier snow there - Thunderstorms were always way worse as well (hail storms common). I actually worked on top of that mountain and it snowed an inch in the 3rd week of JUNE. Great post. I also went to Penn State and have friends with a cabin in Julian, just north of Port Matilda. This is all spot on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mount Joy Snowman said: Great post. I also went to Penn State and have friends with a cabin in Julian, just north of Port Matilda. This is all spot on. Thanks. That's a nice area! It tends to be the last area to get the consistent lake effect snow showers before the elevation dropoff of the Nittany Valley. Then those ridges to the SE tend to squeeze out what little is left. As you know, State College can occasionally get them...but I remember many times in State College being excited as a band was moving in, only to watch it fall apart on radar once past Port Matilda and Milesburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 HEY EVERYONE LET’S TALK MORE ABOUT HOW THE LSV IS BASICALLY ROANOKE AND ANYWHERE NORTH OF STATE COLLEGE IS VAIL THAT MAKES US ALL FEEL LIKE WINNERS YAY SNOW fgdjdbdusbsdjdgdgsdyfhcdkcsmscycsjddhdchd shsjs Sorry had to stand outside for 10 mins and other than the sun burning my retinas and the wind blowing through my body it looks like a desert here now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jns2183 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 GFS 384hr QPF. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashtown_Coop Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jns2183 said: GFS 384hr QPF . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WmsptWx Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, zero26800 said: I currently live on brockway. Happening right now. Heavy snow out of nowhere. Doesn't always accumulate but there are times when its what causes so many accidents on 80 I ran into this problem just NW of State College about 20 minutes ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mount Joy Snowman Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 45 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: Thanks. That's a nice area! It tends to be the last area to get the consistent lake effect snow showers before the elevation dropoff of the Nittany Valley. Then those ridges to the SE tend to squeeze out what little is left. As you know, State College can occasionally get them...but I remember many times in State College being excited as a band was moving in, only to watch it fall apart on radar once past Port Matilda and Milesburg. Oh yeah don’t I know it. It can be a cruel game watching those streamers dry up over the mountains. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 42 minutes ago, Jns2183 said: GFS 384hr QPF . Seems right. It snows where it snows and we haven’t had much so we are looking dead ahead at the end of winter. But I bet spring is cold and rainy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jns2183 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Seems right. It snows where it snows and we haven’t had much so we are going to get shut out. Hopefully spring isn’t too wet. If that QPF map comes to be valid I’m sure we will see half of April be nothing but -6 temp departures and 6” of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherman Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 The Euro wants to pull us all back in…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itstrainingtime Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 minute ago, anotherman said: The Euro wants to pull us all back in…. The Euro has a lot of "making up" to do to pull me back in again. I've missed out on about 325" of snow that the Euro showed me that I never got over the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashtown_Coop Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, anotherman said: The Euro wants to pull us all back in…. I posted this map 1 hr ago with no responses. I figured everyone has given up on winter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, canderson said: HEY EVERYONE LET’S TALK MORE ABOUT HOW THE LSV IS BASICALLY ROANOKE AND ANYWHERE NORTH OF STATE COLLEGE IS VAIL THAT MAKES US ALL FEEL LIKE WINNERS YAY SNOW fgdjdbdusbsdjdgdgsdyfhcdkcsmscycsjddhdchd shsjs Sorry had to stand outside for 10 mins and other than the sun burning my retinas and the wind blowing through my body it looks like a desert here now. Feel better? Well, the LSV basically IS like that. lol... I HATE the climate of that area...hence one of the reasons I moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherman Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I posted this map 1 hr ago with no responses. I figured everyone has given up on winter. But your map isn’t as pretty as the one I posted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashtown_Coop Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, anotherman said: But your map isn’t as pretty as the one I posted! Yeah those pivatol colors aren’t as nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jns2183 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I posted the GFS QPF map hoping people would remember 5 days ago when I believe the GFS showed 30”+ of snow for the LSV. It’s apparent in this type of environment that outside of a few days those forecasts are trash and one has to actually do some meteorology to figure things out. I’d love someone to do a detail post on teleconnections for days 8-16 and take a risk. At worst the forecast will be no worse than the models and more likely those in here will learn some useful things. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashtown_Coop Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 43 minutes ago, Jns2183 said: I posted the GFS QPF map hoping people would remember 5 days ago when I believe the GFS showed 30”+ of snow for the LSV. It’s apparent in this type of environment that outside of a few days those forecasts are trash and one has to actually do some meteorology to figure things out. I’d love someone to do a detail post on teleconnections for days 8-16 and take a risk. At worst the forecast will be no worse than the models and more likely those in here will learn some useful things. . One op run is nothing to take serious. Most here know the difference between fantasy land and a real threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 47 minutes ago, Jns2183 said: I posted the GFS QPF map hoping people would remember 5 days ago when I believe the GFS showed 30”+ of snow for the LSV. It’s apparent in this type of environment that outside of a few days those forecasts are trash and one has to actually do some meteorology to figure things out. I’d love someone to do a detail post on teleconnections for days 8-16 and take a risk. At worst the forecast will be no worse than the models and more likely those in here will learn some useful things. . I agree wholeheartedly with your assertion as to apparent weather. Temp forecasting would be harder especially if one is forecasting in a dry regime. The GFS and Nam also both had many areas of the LSV getting large quantities of ice yesterday....of which most did not come to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, anotherman said: The Euro wants to pull us all back in…. Yes….one of these times it will be right….right? I really want the old king to regain his crown at some point! CTP is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Cashtown_Coop said: I posted this map 1 hr ago with no responses. I figured everyone has given up on winter. Never! I don’t give up until April! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Just now, Blizzard of 93 said: Never! I don’t give up until April! Heck… @paweather doesn’t give up until May or June! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashtown_Coop Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Blizzard of 93 said: Heck… @paweather doesn’t give up until May or June! March is the new January 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 24 minutes ago, Cashtown_Coop said: March is the new January 12z Canadian has a storm on Valentines Day as well, so at the least the Euro is not alone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itstrainingtime Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 EPS wants nothing to do with what the Euro OP was showing. (Doesn't mean either is correct, just stating information) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherman Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I know a solution like the Euro showed is unlikely, but something’s gotta break for us at some point, even if it’s just a moderate event. Maybe this is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itstrainingtime Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Just now, anotherman said: I know a solution like the Euro showed is unlikely, but something’s gotta break for us at some point, even if it’s just a moderate event. Maybe this is it. I sure hope so - last year was a shutout in March, which is fine with me. We're already past the time when I most like snow, so if we're going to get anything of significance I really hope it's soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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