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Monitoring a potential important TV to East Coastal storm: Jan 17


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So NAM is Buffalo and he Euro is the Patriots ... in head to head Divisional round playoff game this weekend. 

Heh

Finding it interesting that the NAM's the consensus Vegas pick over any model that exists, for predicting synoptic scaled events - oh how times have changed...

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Just now, dendrite said:

The euro is easily the coldest with 925 temps Mon morning and it's not even close...that's compared to the NAM, GFS, Ukie, GGEM, and RGEM.

I didn't not look at the Navy. Sorry George.

Yeah the Euro is the only model that still basically has a snow sounding at ORH (and just north of them) by 12z Monday. 
 

Tossed. 

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17 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

So NAM is Buffalo and he Euro is the Patriots ... in head to head Divisional round playoff game this weekend. 

Heh

Finding it interesting that the NAM's the consensus Vegas pick over any model that exists, for predicting synoptic scaled events - oh how times have changed...

I'm never comfortable betting against Belichick!   I find the setup and modeling suite fascinating?   It's as if the Euro is somehow trying like hell to correct closer to what the large pattern and analogs suggested days ago, but nobody believes it!

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11 minutes ago, dryslot said:

You can see it was a tic or two east @H5 from the 06z run.

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H7 looked a tick more west…and it’s definitely ripping that MLJ more westward into upstate NY. (I’m using 00z)

What a waste of deformation snows too….lines up perfectly over lakes Erie and Ontario. 

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9 minutes ago, FXWX said:

I'm never comfortable betting against Belichick!   I find the setup and modeling suite fascinating?   It's as if the Euro is somehow trying like hell to correct closer to what the large pattern and analogs suggested days ago, but nobody believes it!

Ha ha, right ...

It is flying in the face of a lot of climate conventions. 

That said, I do think the ridge in the west is in fact slightly farther west than ideal - that is by no means intended as the silver bullet reason for these warm solutions.  Nor the general mise en science of this being more major pain in the ass, than a major storm...

But, I get what Will/others are suggesting re the NAM's apparent 'talent' at seeing mid level warm intrusion events there... What I have a "teensy" problem with still, is that the NAM also has a NW bias over eastern N/A, with N turning amplitude.  It's in the mid levels where that is notable, with vort trajectories tending to be first in line showing up over the N-W arc of plausible solutions.  This strikes me as "maybe" some of that.

I mean it's inCREdibly tedious to consider this, but... 2 degrees of longitude where ever the wind max(es) cross 40 N, means the difference between 4" ... 2" ...8"...  Plus, whether cold stays anchored enough to lift wind concerns... jeez - lot riding on that.  We still have 48 hours, when/where small corrections of that nature can fit. I cannot tell you how many times I have seen a warm 60 hour FOUS grid end up colder <36 hours out... 

It's not anything anyone should hang their hat on to 'save the day' ... but you know. There's obviously an investment in the desire arc of those contributing to this social media platform, to save what can be saved ...all the way down to moral victories if need be. LOL. 

When we don't have a blocking high, it all comes down to mid level tracks, and the NAM has a history of being NW.

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If the idea is that all the good precip falls in 6 hours and that is snowfall rates of 2-3" an hour, I would definitely sell that. In my experience, the models are quick to spit out monster rates but then they don't materialize. Same thing with people predicting big ratios. Usually verifies as something more pedestrian. I still like 8-10" or so here if this thing hauls ass as much as it looks like it will. 

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