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Jan 15-16 Winter Storm


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Feeling good but not great after that run. Morning's 00z appears to be more and more of a warm blip and this run assuaged some of my concerns. 

That shortwave diving in behind this thing though just continues to be a massive PITA. That's the feature that's causing our heavy snow axis to take a 45 degree angle (along I-81) instead of a 30 degree angle (up I-85). At this point I don't think that thing's letting go. 

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2 minutes ago, Jonathan said:

You think we have a chance to hold on to sleet rather than freezing rain down towards Franklin and Patrick counties?

Sleet is most likely. The depth of the CAD is very large. This is not the typical shallow CAD scenario.

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4 minutes ago, Disc said:

We're sitting good up here. I'm not ready to say 12" is a lock, but the trends this morning have been good.

I find it funny on the surface map verbatim me and you are a tiny little bubble still surrounded in all snow sounding. Probably has been a solid 10 years since we’ve had this opportunity (believe it was winter of 2011 when we had that big big snowstorm). Are you working in Blacksburg this weekend or do you get to enjoy it? I’m looking to get the party officially started with a WSW with tomorrow mornings products 

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Man, for once it seems like the western upstate may be a favored jackpot zone in a major winter storm.  Hasn't happened since?? never really.... Jan 1988 and Jan 2011 were major hits region wide. 

I'll remain skeptical until the snow is falling though, but maybe we finally jackpot and get 6+ inches of snow. (would be the first time since 1988 for my back yard). 

Euro,NAM,CMC,RGEM,ICON,UKMET all show a 6+ inch front end thump here before the warm nose and dryslot move in. 

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4 minutes ago, nwohweather said:

Honestly wouldn't shock me if this eventually is the track. Probably will be closer to Columbia but still it's not that far away

Unless the high is weaker than projected and/or retreating, I think it would be very surprising to see the low plow into the wedge. Not that it couldn't happen, just surprising. 

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2 minutes ago, BornAgain13 said:

Today has been kinda boring in a way... not much change in the models other than a subtle shift here or there... gotta hand it to the OPS on this one... they have been consistent... would love the ensembles which are further south and east to win out though...

I have that feeling there’s still a trick or two up it’s sleeve

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4 minutes ago, SnowDeac said:

Unless the high is weaker than projected and/or retreating, I think it would be very surprising to see the low plow into the wedge. Not that it couldn't happen, just surprising. 

Well look at the model runs here today...

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That's a Charleston-Raleigh path for the low and only a drop of a few millibars in that time stretch. Wouldn't shock me at all to see this as we get closer to the event get a tad stronger, more westerly in its track

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27 minutes ago, Buddy1987 said:

I find it funny on the surface map verbatim me and you are a tiny little bubble still surrounded in all snow sounding. Probably has been a solid 10 years since we’ve had this opportunity (believe it was winter of 2011 when we had that big big snowstorm). Are you working in Blacksburg this weekend or do you get to enjoy it? I’m looking to get the party officially started with a WSW with tomorrow mornings products 

Last good one (12"+) was Dec 2018 so it's been a little while. Before that one I'd have to go back to Feb 2014. 

I am going into work late Sunday night and will be working all night. I am rooting for an earlier starting storm for 2 reasons.. 1) This would mean less of a mixing concern here and (2 It would be over with by the time I have to go to work. 

The trends this morning have favored this so let's hope it continues.

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4 minutes ago, TARHEELPROGRAMMER88 said:

I am throwing in the towel here in the RDU area. Rain will wash away any winter precipitation. Good luck everyone. 

Yeah the writing is on the wall. It isn't our storm. Maybe next year.

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1 minute ago, Disc said:

Last good one (12"+) was Dec 2018 so it's been a little while. Before that one I'd have to go back to Feb 2014. 

I am going into work late Sunday night and will be working all night. I am rooting for an earlier starting storm for 2 reasons.. 1) This would mean less of a mixing concern here and (2 It would be over with by the time I have to go to work. 

The trends this morning have favored this so let's hope it continues.

Man apparently my ripe age of 34 is starting to affect my memory. I do remember 2018 but if I remember we got like 9” out here in Salem. Well hopefully you live close by because from my house out that way the stretch on 81 would be insane to try and make the journey going up into the mountains 

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I just flipped through 10m wind speeds through all of the globals and meso model at 78 and a few things jumped out: 

- every mesoscale model kept the wedge pinned on the coast and had the low in south geogia-ish

- every global (except the canadian) had eroded the wedge further inland and where the wedge had eroded is generally where the LP followed (with Euro obviously showing the most erosion of the wedge)

take with this what you will.

 

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9 minutes ago, Buddy1987 said:

Get out of here no way?! 

The ensembles picked up on the pattern change mid December and of course were about 7ish days too early with it. They all had a system rolling through mid month, with another on its heals 4-6 days later. As it got closer the gfs was the first to suggest it, but I'm not sure what day that was. The euro hinted not long after. The gfs lost it, the euro picked it up, the gfs has corrected back and here we are  :lol: 

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2 minutes ago, ILMRoss said:

I just flipped through 10m wind speeds through all of the globals and meso model at 78 and a few things jumped out: 

- every mesoscale model kept the wedge pinned on the coast and had the low in south geogia-ish

- every global (except the canadian) had eroded the wedge further inland and where the wedge had eroded is generally where the LP followed (with Euro obviously showing the most erosion of the wedge)

take with this what you will.

 

NAM for the win?

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14 minutes ago, olafminesaw said:

Also I think sometimes convection along the coast can reduce precip totals for the Piedmont. Something to watch.

I could be mistaken, but that is generally a concern if everything remains at a positive tilt, whereas once this one get cranking I believe it goes negative tilt, so that doesn’t become as much of a concern. 

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Upstate SC Peeps- Can I have some honest feedback on this first call map? I have a lot of friends and family who ask me about weather and I don’t want to disappoint them by being to bullish. I thought Chris Justus was somewhat conservative and heavily reliant on climo today,and with some of his past calls, within good reason. However, I am really liking this front end thump models are depicting before the warm nose. I tried to make a map between model ensemble estimates and his forecast. Thanks in advance!


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