LVwxHistorian Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 The day before the Blizzard of 96 -- "it will not be a significant event in the Allentown area," and "even for Philadelphia it doesn't look like it will be a terribly heavy snowfall" -- then 25" to 35", LOL! Why would a meteorologist ever say something like that given the complete unpredictability of the weather -- heck the mathematical term "chaos" even came about by studying the weather!!! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds~69 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 I'm buying a rug... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBasile Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 I'm guessing Iovino picked up some skills in the 25 years since. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 This was from ‘96! Was this post necessary? And from experience, reporters do not always get the quotes correct. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 hour ago, BBasile said: I'm guessing Iovino picked up some skills in the 25 years since. lol He is a very good forecaster! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVwxHistorian Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, MGorse said: This was from ‘96! Was this post necessary? And from experience, reporters do not always get the quotes correct. That's actually part of my point, 96 wasn't that long ago!!!! And I really don't think a reporter would mess up quotes to the point of misrepresenting what the person said, do you? Was he trying to say that we were going to get a big storm and it came out this way?! I don't think so -- it was just a horrible forecast, and I remember it vividly!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVwxHistorian Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 I mean I can see how they botched the Blizzard of 1888 forecast, but 1996 -- the day before!! Come on!!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBasile Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, MGorse said: He is a very good forecaster! For sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBasile Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 minute ago, LVwxHistorian said: I mean I can see how they botched the Blizzard of 1888 forecast, but 1996 -- the day before!! Come on!!!!!! It happens. Even to this day. Just a part of an evolving science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTA66 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, MGorse said: This was from ‘96! Was this post necessary? And from experience, reporters do not always get the quotes correct. As I recall, it was the classic miss-to-the-south by the models. It was only late that Friday/Saturday morning that the NW shift began. Even then, it was king of slow. First DC could get in on it, then us, then NYC, etc. So I imagine the interview took place when the models were still showing the OTS solution. And YES! Who can pass up carpet at those prices?? THEY'RE INSANE 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenCtyWx Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 This is the case with many of our big ones to some extent (with the storm trending north significantly a few days prior). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVwxHistorian Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, BBasile said: For sure. Well definitely not in this case! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTA66 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Hell, even KYW was only calling for 1-3" that Saturday morning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBasile Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, LVwxHistorian said: Well definitely not in this case! It was 26 years ago. Stop trolling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVwxHistorian Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, BBasile said: It happens. Even to this day. Just a part of an evolving science. But then why be so definitive, why not just say "it's still too early to tell if this storm will head north or out to sea"?? So easy, right?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVwxHistorian Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 minute ago, BBasile said: It was 26 years ago. Stop trolling. I'm not, I'm just questioning what we're paying these people a lot of money to do -- get extremely important forecasts completely wrong??!!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVwxHistorian Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 minute ago, LVwxHistorian said: I'm not, I'm just questioning what we're paying these people a lot of money to do -- get extremely important forecasts completely wrong??!!!! If you don't know just say you don't know, but don't make the completely incorrect forecast!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBasile Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Just now, LVwxHistorian said: I'm not, I'm just questioning what we're paying these people a lot of money to do -- get extremely important forecasts completely wrong??!!!! lmao. They're government employees, they don't make that much money. Way too little, actually. It's public information. I'm guessing you really don't know too much about meteorology....or any science for that matter. Food for the troll ends here. Enjoy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVwxHistorian Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 I don't get it, is this hard to understand?!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVwxHistorian Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, BBasile said: lmao. They're government employees, they don't make that much money. Way too little, actually. It's public information. I'm guessing you really don't know too much about meteorology....or any science for that matter. Food for the troll ends here. Enjoy. Actually, I'm getting a masters in ATMO right now!! And want to be a forecaster, so I'm telling you what I would have said, and what every good forecaster should say, instead of painting yourself into a corner. And they make very good $$, 70 to 100k Their forecasts are very important, for commerce, people in general. People lost their lives directly because of this botched forecast!!! What are you talking about?!! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albedoman Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 I am more concerned that what happened back in 96 really still has not changed for the Morning Call as they are dismal at best at any weather forecasting- always late and never enough important info as it relates to actual storm progression. They realized this several years go as readers have left in droves and MC has gone to Empire forecasting for their weather forecasting needs. What ever happened to trusting Mt Holly and the NWS? If I was running the show at MC, I would have direct links to the Mt Holly site from the MC site and to all of my subscribers and encourage these subscribers to use those links in order to have constant weather warning updates. I would make my reporters read and request help from the pro's at Mt Holly to understand the weather discussion, especially for each posted storm synopsis . Mt Holly does an excellent job of this. This going to a private service is hogwash for MC as they are providing ad space for the private consultants for terms of service to use their name recognition to appear they know what the hell they are doing better than the NWS. Mike Gorse you are spot on with your opinions. Thanks 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacChump Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, LVwxHistorian said: I don't get it, is this hard to understand?!! dude you’re gonna chase off the one met we have left who posts here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVwxHistorian Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, MacChump said: dude you’re gonna chase off the one met we have left who posts here Well I'll be a met next year, so you can listen to me then!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBasile Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Albedoman said: I am more concerned that what happened back in 96 really still has not changed for the Morning Call as they are dismal at best at any weather forecasting- always late and never enough important info as it relates to actual storm progression. They realized this several years go as readers have left in droves and MC has gone to Empire forecasting for their weather forecasting needs. What ever happened to trusting Mt Holly and the NWS? If I was running the show at MC, I would have direct links to the Mt Holly site from the MC site and to all of my subscribers and encourage these subscribers to use those links in order to have constant weather warning updates. I would make my reporters read and request help from the pro's at Mt Holly to understand the weather discussion, especially for each posted storm synopsis . Mt Holly does an excellent job of this. This going to a private service is hogwash for MC as they are providing ad space for the private consultants for terms of service to use their name recognition to appear they know what the hell they are doing better than the NWS. Mike Gorse you are spot on with your opinions. Thanks I have no idea about the Morning Call, being from South Jersey, but I don't use anybody but the NWS. I don't even use any info from the mets, or weathercasters, at the locals news stations. Haven't seen them in years. I direct everybody I meet to use the NWS as they have the only mets I trust. There's a reason every met, regardless of their employer, reads the AFD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVwxHistorian Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 And I might remind everyone that even Scranton had 21" for a 24-hour record, so they REALLY got it wrong!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVwxHistorian Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 Hey is there a meeting associated with this forum? where we can all get together in person (or zoom). That may be cool, lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 hours ago, LVwxHistorian said: That's actually part of my point, 96 wasn't that long ago!!!! And I really don't think a reporter would mess up quotes to the point of misrepresenting what the person said, do you? Was he trying to say that we were going to get a big storm and it came out this way?! I don't think so -- it was just a horrible forecast, and I remember it vividly!!! You are wrong! I have been misquoted in the newspapers over the years as has some of my coworkers. It does happen! Not often but it does. I am not saying this ‘96 article was a misquote but it does indeed happen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Also, it frustrates me when some point out the missed forecasts but rarely point out all of the successful ones. There are many more good forecasts these days than busts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 hours ago, LVwxHistorian said: I mean I can see how they botched the Blizzard of 1888 forecast, but 1996 -- the day before!! Come on!!!!!! Meteorology is not a perfect science! Many advancements have been made, but there will always be weather events that are just not forecast quite right. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 hours ago, LVwxHistorian said: I'm not, I'm just questioning what we're paying these people a lot of money to do -- get extremely important forecasts completely wrong??!!!! You just highlighted one forecast source with that article, no? Come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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