LakeEffectKing Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Also, with regard to the radar....as the inversion lowers/crashes during the finalstages of an LES event, you are in effect snowing from a couple of thousand feet AGL...and radar is just over shooting most of where the snow is originating from. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, sferic said: Your posts are great , Matt I'm slowly acclimating and learning the meteorological nuances that are specific to this part of the state What is you guess on high temps on Tuesday? Do you think we can stay in the single digits? I know this is not the Adirondacks or Southern Tier but have there been days where temps in our area don't make it above zero? Thanks again Thanks! I am an educator, so I love talking about things and helping others/showing hospitality. Wolfie shared a great post as well in reference to the cloud tops. It's quite rare to have a day where the highs don't get above 0. Maaaybe single digits. Days with highs in the teens are more common in the colder "cold outbreaks" of winter. Many in Upstate New York prefer those days in the 20s with a calm wind and fresh snow. Perfect for outdoor recreation! Low temps will usually fall below zero several times in a winter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sferic Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 minute ago, TugHillMatt said: Thanks! I am an educator, so I love talking about things and helping others/showing hospitality. Wolfie shared a great post as well in reference to the cloud tops. It's quite rare to have a day where the highs don't get above 0. Maaaybe single digits. Days with highs in the teens are more common in the colder "cold outbreaks" of winter. Many in Upstate New York prefer those days in the 20s with a calm wind and fresh snow. Perfect for outdoor recreation! Low temps will usually fall below zero several times in a winter. Educator here too Matt, Math and Technology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeEffectKing Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Measurement before bed...6.5" in Caz....light snow. Looking forward to Sun. Night/Monday for some impressive rates in C. Oswego Co.....they see 12 -16" easily, IMO. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 46 minutes ago, sferic said: Educator here too Matt, Math and Technology Nice! SCIENCE here... Life Science, Agricultural Science, and Environmental Science are my jam...with a big side of meteorology. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Check out that narrow lake effect band! It's a multi-lake connection: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim123 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: Check out that narrow lake effect band! It's a multi-lake connection: Literally a mile wide. Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 I’m staying at a friends house on East Bay (southeast corner of Lake Ontario.)The house is on a bluff and the winds tonight have been amazing. Just constant 45mph winds with heavy snow squalls as the roll convection bands just keeps moving through. It’s a different world on the lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 The radar is overshooting me but that’s the location. The drifts on the north south roads were pretty awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Look at this steam plume on the West end of Erie. Definitely an unusual look to that band and how it diffuses and spreads out. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrmax Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 5.8" today on 0.23 liquid equivalent. That's some serious ratio. 25:1. Fake snow! Looks wrapped up here. Still haven't cracked 6" for a single event. We had a 5" LES event back in early December. Sad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, DeltaT13 said: Look at this steam plume on the West end of Erie. Definitely an unusual look to that band and how it diffuses and spreads out. That is crazy. What the heck!?! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sferic Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, DeltaT13 said: Look at this steam plume on the West end of Erie. Definitely an unusual look to that band and how it diffuses and spreads out. Is this from Pro Tier 2 of RadarScope ? I have Pro Tier one and can't get those plumes Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share Posted January 8, 2022 3 hours ago, TugHillMatt said: It's quite common for lake effect, especially at these temps, to be 20:1. Welcome to the land of lake effect FLUFF! NW flow events are often 25-35:1 as predominant temps during NW flow events are colder than W/SW flow events. W/SW flow events average around 1:18-1:22 on average. I saw an event last year where Rochester got 1:43 ratios with pure fluff bombs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, sferic said: Is this from Pro Tier 2 of RadarScope ? I have Pro Tier one and can't get those plumes Thanks! I’m pro tier 1 and get it. 9.99/year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share Posted January 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, rochesterdave said: That is crazy. What the heck!?! Lol Wind shear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 This is pretty impressive looking stuff tonight (for a NW flow). I’m kind of sad that of all night for me to be at this nice cabin my home appears to be getting really nice lake effect. You can’t win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share Posted January 8, 2022 2 hours ago, wolfie09 said: Here is a good explanation.. Lake effect snow clouds are relatively low in the atmosphere compared to rain and especially thunderstorms. Lake effect snow cloud tops are usually no higher than 10,000 feet. Compare this to a thunderstorm that can be a tall as 50,000 feet. Weather radar starts out as a signal transmitted from the radar dome near the ground. The radar beam is shot out of the radar at a slight upward angle. This has to happen so the beam can radiate out away from the dome and so the return signals do not hit the ground at the radar site. If that happened there would be no radar image as you are used to seeing. As the radar beam travels up and out at an angle, the radar beam travels higher in the atmosphere. By the time the radar beam is 50 miles from the radar site, the radar beam is 5,000 feet up in the air. At 90 miles out the radar beam is 10,000 feet high. The low nature of lake effect snow means the weather radar beam can shoot right over the top of the lake effect snow and not “see it.” That is why you will often look out the window in the U.P. of Michigan and it is snowing hard. Then you look at a radar image, and it doesn’t show snow at your location. Snow chasers will watch the radar and never see the snow on the screen but they are surprised to learn how much fresh snow actually did fall. https://www.snowtechmagazine.com/why-does-lake-effect-snow-not-show-up-on-the-radar/ Nov 2014 had cloud tops at 20k feet, definitely not normal for a LES event. It's more common to get higher cloud tops in early season events as the temperature disparity is greater early on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, sferic said: Is this from Pro Tier 2 of RadarScope ? I have Pro Tier one and can't get those plumes Thanks! It’s just a setting if I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share Posted January 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, rochesterdave said: I’m pro tier 1 and get it. 9.99/year Same. I also like the app on the apple store called "MyRadar". It shows Canadian radar and the entire great lakes in one loop. You're able to see upstream trends, wind direction, and moisture that radarscope doesn't allow. I highly recommend everyone to download as it provides things that radarscope cannot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share Posted January 8, 2022 There is a poster in Vermont who sometimes gets even higher ratios than we do off the lakes. I think its Jspin. I've seen him post 1:50 many times, I wonder what his record is 1:60? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: NW flow events are often 25-35:1 as predominant temps during NW flow events are colder than W/SW flow events. W/SW flow events average around 1:18-1:22 on average. I saw an event last year where Rochester got 1:43 ratios with pure fluff bombs. Yeah, I thought it might be even higher than that. Rochester really gets the high ratio stuff with those northerly winds or teakettle events. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, DeltaT13 said: This is pretty impressive looking stuff tonight (for a NW flow). I’m kind of sad that of all night for me to be at this nice cabin my home appears to be getting really nice lake effect. You can’t win. What's going on with you this week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share Posted January 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: Yeah, I thought it might be even higher than that. Rochester really gets the high ratio stuff with those northerly winds or teakettle events. Yeah Buffalo gets its seasonal totals with 1-2 big events like we saw yesterday. Rochester is synoptic/lake enhanced but what makes them get more than Buffalo yearly is the teakettle events off Ontario, they really add up quick with high ratios. Syracuse is a better location for synoptic being closer to the east coast storms and the recording station being north Syracuse they do well with NW flow events when it hits them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 minute ago, BuffaloWeather said: Yeah Buffalo gets its seasonal totals with 1-2 big events like we saw yesterday. Rochester is synoptic/lake enhanced but what makes them get more than Buffalo yearly is the teakettle events off Ontario, they really add up quick with high ratios. So when you think about it...Buffalo actually might average more snow than Rochester if you melt it down to precip. totals. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: What's going on with you this week? I mean yesterday ended up pretty decent and I’m still in snow showers tonight. I’m not full on ThM yet. Don’t put this on me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Mexico reported 4.7" on 0.12" liquid, so close to 40/1.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim123 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 This happens alot in artic shots. Even hi rez models can't pick it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim123 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 I suspect this will happen on teusday. Models show artic front and shuts off lake snow south of Ontario. But most likely will be a spray of snow radar won't pick up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 My measurements from this morning: 5.3 inches of snow, 0.16 inch of liquid, ratio = 33:1. Also, the low here this morning was -7F, the lowest so far this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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