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Upstate/Eastern New York-Pattern Change Vs Tughill Curse?


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7 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said:

Yup! I can't stand it. lol... If I had known, I wouldn't have picked this place...still kick myself for not choosing Springville. My wife was even ok with it there. But, she seemed more interested in this area. So, here we are.

I like your other idea too of just relocating to the high terrain in Southern Onondaga/Madison. Bet you see big differences there compared to the Lake Plain. Driven 81 many times when it was doing nothing or flurries in the Syracuse and Cortland city propers but in between around Lafayette, Tully, Preble it was whole different world. Driven NY 41 too plenty of times and seen big differences in the snow cover around Spafford area.

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1 minute ago, BGM Blizzard said:

I like your other idea too of just relocating to the high terrain in Southern Onondaga/Madison. Bet you see big differences there compared to the Lake Plain. Driven 81 many times when it was doing nothing or flurries in the Syracuse and Cortland city propers but in between around Lafayette, Tully, Preble it was whole different world. Driven NY 41 too plenty of times and seen big differences in the snow cover around Spafford area.

Yeah, the higher terrain in Southern Onondaga is actually a bit closer to where my wife works than where we are now. I love the heavy lake effect snow bands, but unlike Buffwx, I am obviously an "All winter, all the time" kind of guy during the winter. I know the higher elevations will warm up during thaws as well, but the more common orographic snowfalls and better snow retention are more ideal to my winter interests.

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33 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Any snow doesn't matter for depth. It's March next week. It's go big or go home time

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With PNA going positive and AO going negative in 2 weeks. Also there is a high chance PV will split so I don't see warm happening in GL in March/April. 

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23 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said:

Yeah, the higher terrain in Southern Onondaga is actually a bit closer to where my wife works than where we are now. I love the heavy lake effect snow bands, but unlike Buffwx, I am obviously an "All winter, all the time" kind of guy during the winter. I know the higher elevations will warm up during thaws as well, but the more common orographic snowfalls and better snow retention are more ideal to my winter interests.

I love being close to the lake as I utilize the lake much more in summer and its nice being close. Also the high dews on summer nights are my cup of tea.

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1 hour ago, brentrich said:

With PNA going positive and AO going negative in 2 weeks. Also there is a high chance PV will split so I don't see warm happening in GL in March/April. 

Big torch coming in early Morch. Probably best to make sure the a/c is working now.

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Northern Michigan has been having a great winter. Marquette with 155" on the year and 33" on the ground.

WEATHER ITEM   OBSERVED RECORD YEAR NORMAL DEPARTURE LAST             
                VALUE   VALUE       VALUE  FROM      YEAR            
                                           NORMAL                  
............................................................
TEMPERATURE (F)                                                          
 TODAY                                                               
  MAXIMUM         14     57    1984  27    -13       38               
  MINIMUM         12    -18    2001   8      4       20               
  AVERAGE         13                 18     -5       29            

PRECIPITATION (IN)                                                    
  TODAY            0.71R  0.38 2017   0.09   0.62     0.03            
  MONTH TO DATE    2.35               1.72   0.63     1.04            
  SINCE DEC 1      8.88               6.65   2.23     3.88            
  SINCE JAN 1      5.11               4.05   1.06     2.48            

SNOWFALL (IN)                                                              
  TODAY           12.2 R  7.5  1974   1.3   10.9      0.9             
  MONTH TO DATE   41.1               28.9   12.2     14.8             
  SINCE DEC 1    134.0              110.9   23.1     58.0             
  SINCE JUL 1    154.9              140.5   14.4     90.1             
  SNOW DEPTH      33                                                 

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hmm.. a SWS for Strong Winds with the cold front passage...

Special Weather Statement
National Weather Service Buffalo NY
1143 PM EST Tue Feb 22 2022

NYZ001>003-010>012-019-085-230700-
Niagara-Orleans-Monroe-Northern Erie-Genesee-Wyoming-Chautauqua-
Southern Erie-
Including the cities of Niagara Falls, Medina, Rochester,
Buffalo, Batavia, Warsaw, Jamestown, Orchard Park,
and Springville
1143 PM EST Tue Feb 22 2022

...Strong Winds Possible Overnight...

The passage of a cold front shortly after midnight could be
accompanied by southwest winds that could gust as high as 45 mph.
The relatively strong winds...being aided by funnelling down the
long fetch of Lake Erie...could then persist into the wee hours of
Wednesday morning.
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3 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Northern Michigan has been having a great winter. Marquette with 155" on the year and 33" on the ground.

WEATHER ITEM   OBSERVED RECORD YEAR NORMAL DEPARTURE LAST             
                VALUE   VALUE       VALUE  FROM      YEAR            
                                           NORMAL                  
............................................................
TEMPERATURE (F)                                                          
 TODAY                                                               
  MAXIMUM         14     57    1984  27    -13       38               
  MINIMUM         12    -18    2001   8      4       20               
  AVERAGE         13                 18     -5       29            

PRECIPITATION (IN)                                                    
  TODAY            0.71R  0.38 2017   0.09   0.62     0.03            
  MONTH TO DATE    2.35               1.72   0.63     1.04            
  SINCE DEC 1      8.88               6.65   2.23     3.88            
  SINCE JAN 1      5.11               4.05   1.06     2.48            

SNOWFALL (IN)                                                              
  TODAY           12.2 R  7.5  1974   1.3   10.9      0.9             
  MONTH TO DATE   41.1               28.9   12.2     14.8             
  SINCE DEC 1    134.0              110.9   23.1     58.0             
  SINCE JUL 1    154.9              140.5   14.4     90.1             
  SNOW DEPTH      33                                                 

Keweenaw Snow Report and U.P. Weather

2021-2022 Snowfall - 245" season to date

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9 hours ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said:

hmm.. a SWS for Strong Winds with the cold front passage...

Special Weather Statement
National Weather Service Buffalo NY
1143 PM EST Tue Feb 22 2022

NYZ001>003-010>012-019-085-230700-
Niagara-Orleans-Monroe-Northern Erie-Genesee-Wyoming-Chautauqua-
Southern Erie-
Including the cities of Niagara Falls, Medina, Rochester,
Buffalo, Batavia, Warsaw, Jamestown, Orchard Park,
and Springville
1143 PM EST Tue Feb 22 2022

...Strong Winds Possible Overnight...

The passage of a cold front shortly after midnight could be
accompanied by southwest winds that could gust as high as 45 mph.
The relatively strong winds...being aided by funnelling down the
long fetch of Lake Erie...could then persist into the wee hours of
Wednesday morning.

We actually lost power this AM...

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11 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Northern Michigan has been having a great winter. Marquette with 155" on the year and 33" on the ground.

WEATHER ITEM   OBSERVED RECORD YEAR NORMAL DEPARTURE LAST             
                VALUE   VALUE       VALUE  FROM      YEAR            
                                           NORMAL                  
............................................................
TEMPERATURE (F)                                                          
 TODAY                                                               
  MAXIMUM         14     57    1984  27    -13       38               
  MINIMUM         12    -18    2001   8      4       20               
  AVERAGE         13                 18     -5       29            

PRECIPITATION (IN)                                                    
  TODAY            0.71R  0.38 2017   0.09   0.62     0.03            
  MONTH TO DATE    2.35               1.72   0.63     1.04            
  SINCE DEC 1      8.88               6.65   2.23     3.88            
  SINCE JAN 1      5.11               4.05   1.06     2.48            

SNOWFALL (IN)                                                              
  TODAY           12.2 R  7.5  1974   1.3   10.9      0.9             
  MONTH TO DATE   41.1               28.9   12.2     14.8             
  SINCE DEC 1    134.0              110.9   23.1     58.0             
  SINCE JUL 1    154.9              140.5   14.4     90.1             
  SNOW DEPTH      33                                                 

It's been a great season up here that's for sure.  As of this morning MQT has 42" otg and a season total of 168"... I'm around 190" and a depth right around 50"

What will March bring?

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2 minutes ago, weatherbo said:

It's been a great season up here that's for sure.  As of this morning MQT has 42" otg and a season total of 168"... I'm around 190" and a depth right around 50"

What will March bring?

That's as much snow on the ground as 4k feet in the Adirondacks had during my hike over the weekend, impressive. Was anywhere from 45-60". La Nina years are usually the best for the Upper Great lakes. How many below/above average snowfall years have you had up there the last 10 years?

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1 minute ago, BuffaloWeather said:

That's as much snow on the ground as 4k feet in the Adirondacks had during my hike over the weekend, impressive. Was anywhere from 45-60". La Nina years are usually the best for the Upper Great lakes. How many below/above average snowfall years have you had up there the last 10 years?

I'm not sure exactly, I'll have to do some digging but mostly average to below.  Last year was horrible, barely made it to 150".

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