rochesterdave Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 minute ago, TugHillMatt said: Which one? You stinker! Lololol. I almost answere, ‘almost all of them’ and then I saw IT!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 29 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: They used sand on the roads where I lived in Canada, in Michigan, and up in Redfield. I MUCH prefer it to road salt, as it provides more traction and way less slippery and your car doesn't slide all over the place when you're driving and trying to turn. The biggest negative of it is definitely how it cakes to your car...especially if it's mixed with brine/salt...that stuff EATS away at your car. Hence, the holes in so many cars up there. Part of the reason for heavy salt use on the roads is that people today almost insist on seeing bare pavement when they drive. People like to drive like its July 4 when it’s January 4. There are growing environmental concerns over the use of salt as it runs off into bodies of water. But, as I said, sand also ends up in drainage systems. Not only does it clog closed drainage systems it builds up in ditches requiring periodic cleaning out to ensure proper grade of the ditch line. Either way, we need to apply something to maintain the coefficient of friction on our roads when ice and snow covers the roads. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, rochesterdave said: You stinker! Lololol. I almost answere, ‘almost all of them’ and then I saw IT!!! Bahahahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, CNY_WX said: Part of the reason for heavy salt use on the roads is that people today almost insist on seeing bare pavement when they drive. People like to drive like its July 4 when it’s January 4. There are growing environmental concerns over the use of salt as it runs off into bodies of water. But, as I said, sand also ends up in drainage systems. Not only does it clog closed drainage systems it builds up in ditches requiring periodic cleaning out to ensure proper grade of the ditch line. Either way, we need to apply something to maintain the coefficient of friction on our roads when ice and snow covers the roads. For sure. I understand there are pros and cons to both. Those places I lived also did a great job in the spring of scraping and "sweeping" up the sand so that it didn't all go on the sides and into ditches (which is inevitable that some still will). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerintonMan Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Syrmax said: I think this is the most likely eventual track FWIW. I hate to say it, but I think you're right. T-5 days prediction: BUF: 2" ROC: 4" (despite mets protesting that their forecast of 8-12" is going to hold up in the face late model movement to the SE) SYR: 9" ALB: 16" BGM: 18" Jackpot: Manchester, NH - 23" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrmax Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, PerintonMan said: I hate to say it, but I think you're right. T-5 days prediction: BUF: 2" ROC: 4" (despite mets protesting that their forecast of 8-12" is going to hold up in the face late model movement to the SE) SYR: 9" ALB: 16" BGM: 18" Jackpot: Manchester, NH - 23" Oh noes! You've gone and done it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerintonMan Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Just now, Syrmax said: Oh noes! You've gone and done it... I'm going for the reverse jinx. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortmax Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, PerintonMan said: I hate to say it, but I think you're right. T-5 days prediction: BUF: 2" ROC: 4" (despite mets protesting that their forecast of 8-12" is going to hold up in the face late model movement to the SE) SYR: 9" ALB: 16" BGM: 18" Jackpot: Manchester, NH - 23" This is gonna be more west than that... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGM Blizzard Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 WSW posted for this storm from ND to MO. Will be fun to watch that axis continue to expand S and E and eventually back N. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerintonMan Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, vortmax said: This is gonna be more west than that... I really hope so, it would be a trend-shatterer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I’m not posting any numbers but I’m convinced this will be a big one all the way back to Buffalo. Even if it tracks up the coast I think it’s big enough to spread the wealth. Syracuse looks to be in a good spot with room for shifts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortmax Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 BUF .LONG TERM /SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY/... High pressure will move off the New England coast Sunday, with a ridge extending back across New York State and New England providing a dry finish to the weekend. Temperatures will be significantly warmer than on Saturday after a cold start Sunday morning, however still some 5-10 degrees below average for mid January. Our attention then turns to a potential significant synoptic system. Confidence continues to increase for a Nor`Easter to impact our area from Sunday night into Monday. 12Z ECMWF/GFS/Canadian all have the center of an area of deepening low pressure moving NNE directly over central/eastern NY late Sunday night and Monday. Given the increased confidence, us and surrounding offices have stepped up PoPs into the Lkly range from central and eastern PA up through central and eastern NY during this timeframe. If this system tracks to far inland p-type could become an issue, mainly across eastern areas at this point, however will keep precipitation as all snow for now this far out. Some lake effect and upslope snows will develop Monday night lasting into the day on Tuesday under WNW/NW flow in the wake of the departing storm system. Any lingering lake effect snow showers will weaken and sweep from south to north as winds back to the southwest Tuesday night ahead of a Clipper type system moving into the upper Great Lakes. This will bring the next chance for a light synoptic snow to western and northcentral NY mid week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, vortmax said: BUF .LONG TERM /SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY/... High pressure will move off the New England coast Sunday, with a ridge extending back across New York State and New England providing a dry finish to the weekend. Temperatures will be significantly warmer than on Saturday after a cold start Sunday morning, however still some 5-10 degrees below average for mid January. Our attention then turns to a potential significant synoptic system. Confidence continues to increase for a Nor`Easter to impact our area from Sunday night into Monday. 12Z ECMWF/GFS/Canadian all have the center of an area of deepening low pressure moving NNE directly over central/eastern NY late Sunday night and Monday. Given the increased confidence, us and surrounding offices have stepped up PoPs into the Lkly range from central and eastern PA up through central and eastern NY during this timeframe. If this system tracks to far inland p-type could become an issue, mainly across eastern areas at this point, however will keep precipitation as all snow for now this far out. Some lake effect and upslope snows will develop Monday night lasting into the day on Tuesday under WNW/NW flow in the wake of the departing storm system. Any lingering lake effect snow showers will weaken and sweep from south to north as winds back to the southwest Tuesday night ahead of a Clipper type system moving into the upper Great Lakes. This will bring the next chance for a light synoptic snow to western and northcentral NY mid week. Jesus, right from a miss to mixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 As of right now no mixing Sunday Night A chance of snow after 1am. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 14. Chance of precipitation is 50%. M.L.King Day Snow likely. Cloudy, with a high near 28. Chance of precipitation is 70%. Monday Night Snow showers likely. Cloudy, with a low around 17. Chance of precipitation is 60%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim123 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Nobody watching icon model first of 18z runs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Icon goes boom.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 I’d sacrifice this storm for a bills victory 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Going to be dry slot issues with that type of track..We get hit pretty good either way.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarbear Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, CNY_WX said: Part of the reason for heavy salt use on the roads is that people today almost insist on seeing bare pavement when they drive. People like to drive like its July 4 when it’s January 4. There are growing environmental concerns over the use of salt as it runs off into bodies of water. But, as I said, sand also ends up in drainage systems. Not only does it clog closed drainage systems it builds up in ditches requiring periodic cleaning out to ensure proper grade of the ditch line. Either way, we need to apply something to maintain the coefficient of friction on our roads when ice and snow covers the roads. In addition to this a lot of salt is used perhaps more often than necessary because towns/countries/Dot budget X amount for salt. (just like anything else, no secret here) Well say this yr is a light winter they still keep spreading as much as possible so that there budget allotment stays the same. Then if the following year is twice as bad as normal there’s not as much of a deficit to overcome. municipalities are also required by the state as I understand it, to take X amount of salt no matter if they use it or not. I delivered some to places that had no where to go with it back in early December. I also do believe all salt orders go through the state in some form. Your local highway super has to “call”in to the state and then the order comes back to the mine. Sand seems to be more popular in areas with any type of hills (obviously) and also areas with a smaller tax base. Don’t quote me on these numbers but you can get say 400 ton of sand to one 40 ton load of salt. But all the comments on drains and whatnot I’m sure factor in as well. As for environmental concerns there are more towns using a treated salt that sticks to the rds better and isnt suppose to runoff as much as regular. I also believe it reduces the temperature at which it’s effective to as this is pretty widely used up in the adks. Someone with better knowledge of all this will probably correct me, as I’m just a steering wheel holder who delivers a lot of the vehicle corrosion enhancer around the state. You’re all welcome…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: I’d sacrifice this storm for a bills victory I’d sacrifice a pesky little brother for a good storm. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Look at that firehose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleetussnow Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 21 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: Going to be dry slot issues with that type of track..We get hit pretty good either way.. LP sitting right over the crown of the catskills? highly sus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, Polarbear said: In addition to this a lot of salt is used perhaps more often than necessary because towns/countries/Dot budget X amount for salt. (just like anything else, no secret here) Well say this yr is a light winter they still keep spreading as much as possible so that there budget allotment stays the same. Then if the following year is twice as bad as normal there’s not as much of a deficit to overcome. municipalities are also required by the state as I understand it, to take X amount of salt no matter if they use it or not. I delivered some to places that had no where to go with it back in early December. I also do believe all salt orders go through the state in some form. Your local highway super has to “call”in to the state and then the order comes back to the mine. Sand seems to be more popular in areas with any type of hills (obviously) and also areas with a smaller tax base. Don’t quote me on these numbers but you can get say 400 ton of sand to one 40 ton load of salt. But all the comments on drains and whatnot I’m sure factor in as well. As for environmental concerns there are more towns using a treated salt that sticks to the rds better and isnt suppose to runoff as much as regular. I also believe it reduces the temperature at which it’s effective to as this is pretty widely used up in the adks. Someone with better knowledge of all this will probably correct me, as I’m just a steering wheel holder who delivers a lot of the vehicle corrosion enhancer around the state. You’re all welcome…. A relatively recent development in snow and ice control is the application of brine to the road surface prior to the onset of precipitation. This forms a barrier on the road so when snow or ice falls it doesn’t stick to the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, rochesterdave said: Look at that firehose A classic extra tropical cyclone with warm conveyor and cold conveyor. Hopefully, the cold conveyor which corresponds with the deformation zone will end up over CNY. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polarbear Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, CNY_WX said: A relatively recent development in snow and ice control is the application of brine to the road surface prior to the onset of precipitation. This forms a barrier on the road so when snow or ice falls it doesn’t stick to the road. Yes very true. Beet juice and molasses are common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Polarbear said: Yes very true. Beet juice and molasses are common. Do you deliver from Cargill? They’re one of the primary suppliers of rock salt in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeEffectKing Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 18z Gfs a touch east from 12z.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 It appears to dry slot Syracuse at hour 114 but removes mixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ericjcrash Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 This is more like it. Better run for just about everyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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