kdxken Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Cold and snow makes felling trees all that more difficult but damn it felt good today. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoth Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Man, long range is porn on the GFS. What a PNA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, powderfreak said: They get some monsters from time to time though in the central NY zone. West of ALB and north of BGM have had numerous 36”+ events past 15 years. 2/14/07 3/14/17 12/17/20 If you go back another 5 years you get Xmas 2002 also. I remember a couple 40-burgers NW of ALB in that one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaStorm05 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, MuddyWx said: Points of equal temperature are shown with the diagonal dotted lines. So where that red temp line crosses the dotted line at about 800mb, you can move down the dotted line and see that the temp for that dotted line is 0C. Therefore temp at 800mb is ever so slightly above 0C (hence the sleet depiction) Omg wow. That is odd coming from someone who is used to normal graphs. So basically where it says 10c that is not delineated by a line perfectly vertical, but diagonal. I knew there just had to be something I was doing wrong because I’m not stupid enough to believe the other people who frequent this board are going to make such an oversight. In fact as a mere hobbyist, albeit a lifetime one, I only recently became interested in these “sounding” reports and previously just avoided them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, Hoth said: Man, long range is porn on the GFS. What a PNA. Pretty clear how important the pac is for us. Night and day compared to Dec. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Blizzard Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 3 hours ago, CoastalWx said: You were definitely below 32. Even the guy in Hingham I think just sneaked barely above freezing briefly. I put in a request from NOAA's National Center for Environmental Information (NCEI) for maximum temps at Randolph for 2/6/78 and 2/7/78. They emailed a list of cities in E MA, of which the closest to Randolph was Brockton. The max there was 34F on the 6th and 35F on the 7th. Hingham had a max of 34F on the 6th and 32F on the 7th. By comparison, Boston was 34F on the 6th and 33F on the 7th. My main point being there was no fluff factor with that snow, limiting the drifting in many areas, despite the strong winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, 78Blizzard said: I put in a request from NOAA's National Center for Environmental Information (NCEI) for maximum temps at Randolph for 2/6/78 and 2/7/78. They emailed a list of cities in E MA, of which the closest to Randolph was Brockton. The max there was 34F on the 6th and 35F on the 7th. Hingham had a max of 34F on the 6th and 32F on the 7th. By comparison, Boston was 34F on the 6th and 33F on the 7th. My main point being there was no fluff factor with that snow, limiting the drifting in many areas, despite the strong winds. I think those maxes were brief. Like one day maybe briefly with the coastal front and then the other when it ended? I mean 34 in Hingham means you likely were colder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Blizzard Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: I think those maxes were brief. Like one day maybe briefly with the coastal front and then the other when it ended? I mean 34 in Hingham means you likely were colder. Temps during most of the storm varied only a couple of degrees. Randolph temps would have been more like Brockton than Hingham, which is only a few miles away. The storm didn't end until very late on the 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Sey-Mour Snow said: Oh that. Okay right. that run also trended in the GEFs mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not me in VT Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Here in SVT growing quite interested in the ice potential. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: Holy schitt LOL at the people jumping off the chairs. Looks like a shitty place. NC skiing... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 18 minutes ago, 78Blizzard said: Temps during most of the storm varied only a couple of degrees. Randolph temps would have been more like Brockton than Hingham, which is only a few miles away. The storm didn't end until very late on the 7th. Sometimes those thermos back then can be affected by solar radiation. Any case, it was a qpf bomb for sure. Not a fluff job by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 36 minutes ago, 78Blizzard said: Temps during most of the storm varied only a couple of degrees. Randolph temps would have been more like Brockton than Hingham, which is only a few miles away. The storm didn't end until very late on the 7th. My school’s roof collapsed under the weight of the snow. We had a very extended Feb vacation. Best winter ever 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 3 hours ago, CoastalWx said: If anybody has reports or Pics I’m all for it. I know 40” amounts happened and believe it for sure. Those pics were epic. I think most of those DEC 20 40+" reports were just ruler in the ground reports, there really wasn't enough time for any clearing, it was all in like 9-10 hours. One clear would have been the max, if it was even done. Im not sure how much the total would have increased from that one clear anyway--maybe in the absolute max spot could have been near uppper 40s to 50". No one had 50"+ on the ground, but pretty damn close. There are pics of 42-44" OTG. I measured 33-34" OTG a full 30 hours after it stopped in that prime zone just north of me, obviously it was pure fluff so it was settling quickly, showing it was certainly 40"+ OTG the day prior, but 50" probably a stretch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Blizzard Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: My school’s roof collapsed under the weight of the snow. We had a very extended Feb vacation. Best winter ever Yeah, getting a week off from work back then because of the Rt 128 fiasco is a once-in-a-lifetime event. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not me in VT Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 18 minutes ago, backedgeapproaching said: I think most of those DEC 20 40+" reports were just ruler in the ground reports, there really wasn't enough time for any clearing, it was all in like 9-10 hours. One clear would have been the max, if it was even done. Im not sure how much the total would have increased from that one clear anyway--maybe in the absolute max spot could have been near uppper 40s to 50". No one had 50"+ on the ground, but pretty damn close. There are pics of 42-44" OTG. I measured 33-34" OTG a full 30 hours after it stopped in that prime zone just north of me, obviously it was pure fluff so it was settling quickly, showing it was certainly 40"+ OTG the day prior, but 50" probably a stretch. Ludlow Vermont had 40", across from you here in Townshend we had 30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Have some Blizz 78 obs. Apologies if your phone hates this. PVD,1978-02-06 15:00,KPVD 061500Z 05021G30KT 10SM BKN028 OVC045 M01/M06 A3009 RMK SLP188 T10061061 PVD,1978-02-06 16:00,KPVD 061600Z 05020G28KT 7SM -SN OVC028 M01/M05 A3001 RMK SLP162 T10051049 PVD,1978-02-06 16:15,KPVD 061615Z 05020G30KT 2SM -SN OVC005 A2999 RMK SLPNO PVD,1978-02-06 17:00,KPVD 061700Z 05020G30KT 1SM -SN -BLSN OVC003 A2992 RMK SLP132 PVD,1978-02-06 18:00,KPVD 061800Z 05022KT 3/4SM -SN -BLSN OVC/// M02/M02 A//// RMK SLP118 T10171022 PVD,1978-02-06 19:00,KPVD 061900Z 05017G39KT 1/2SM SN -BLSN OVC002 A2983 RMK SLP102 PVD,1978-02-06 20:00,KPVD 062000Z 03021G36KT 1/16SM +SN -BLSN OVC002 M02/M03 A2976 RMK SLP077 P0011 T10211027 PVD,1978-02-06 21:00,KPVD 062100Z 03018G37KT 1/16SM +SN -BLSN OVC002 M02/M03 A2973 RMK SLP067 P0012 T10221028 PVD,1978-02-06 22:00,KPVD 062200Z 03018G38KT 1/16SM +SN -BLSN OVC002 M02/M03 A2967 RMK SLP048 P0011 T10211027 PVD,1978-02-06 23:00,KPVD 062300Z 04019G36KT 1/16SM +SN -BLSN OVC002 A2961 RMK SLP026 PVD,1978-02-07 00:00,KPVD 070000Z 03024KT 1/16SM +SN -BLSN OVC002 M02/M02 A2950 RMK SLP988 P0033 60024 T10171017 PVD,1978-02-07 01:00,KPVD 070100Z 04025G53KT 1/16SM +SN -BLSN OVC002 M02/M02 A2946 RMK SLP975 P0033 T10161016 PVD,1978-02-07 02:00,KPVD 070200Z 05025G40KT 1/16SM +SN -BLSN OVC002 M01/M01 A2946 RMK SLP975 P0022 T10101010 PVD,1978-02-07 03:00,KPVD 070300Z 06018G37KT 1/16SM SN -BLSN OVC002 00/M01 A2945 RMK SLP971 P0022 T00001006 PVD,1978-02-07 04:00,KPVD 070400Z 05015G36KT 1/16SM SN -BLSN OVC002 00/00 A2944 RMK SLP970 P0011 T00000000 PVD,1978-02-07 05:00,KPVD 070500Z 02020G30KT 6SM CLR M/M A2940 RMK SLPNO P0011 T//////// PVD,1978-02-07 06:00,KPVD 070600Z 02018KT 1/16SM SN -BLSN OVC002 00/00 A2938 RMK SLP947 P0022 60031 T00000000 PVD,1978-02-07 07:00,KPVD 070700Z 04014G24KT 1/16SM SN -BLSN OVC002 00/00 A2940 RMK SLP955 P0012 T00000000 PVD,1978-02-07 08:00,KPVD 070800Z 03014G24KT 1/4SM SN -BLSN OVC002 A2936 RMK SLP942 PVD,1978-02-07 09:00,KPVD 070900Z 03016KT 1/16SM +SN -BLSN OVC/// M01/M01 A//// RMK SLP939 P0022 T10111011 PVD,1978-02-07 10:00,KPVD 071000Z 35012G24KT 1/16SM SN -BLSN OVC002 M06/M06 A2934 RMK SLP935 P0012 T10601060 PVD,1978-02-07 11:00,KPVD 071100Z 36016G27KT 1/16SM SN -BLSN OVC002 M06/M07 A2933 RMK SLP932 P0012 T10601066 PVD,1978-02-07 12:00,KPVD 071200Z 35015KT 1/16SM SN -BLSN OVC002 M06/M06 A2931 RMK SLP925 P0012 60055 70110 T10561061 PVD,1978-02-07 12:13,KPVD 071213Z 36014G20KT 1/2SM -SN -BLSN OVC003 A2932 RMK SLPNO PVD,1978-02-07 13:00,KPVD 071300Z 35015G24KT 1/2SM -SN -BLSN OVC003 M04/M04 A2934 RMK SLP935 P0005 T10381038 PVD,1978-02-07 14:00,KPVD 071400Z 36014G21KT 1/2SM -SN -BLSN OVC003 M02/M02 A2937 RMK SLP946 P0004 T10211021 PVD,1978-02-07 15:00,KPVD 071500Z 34014KT 1/2SM -SN -BLSN OVC/// M03/M03 A//// RMK SLP952 P0002 T10281028 PVD,1978-02-07 16:00,KPVD 071600Z 36015G23KT 1/2SM -SN -BLSN OVC/// BKN005 OVC017 A2940 RMK SLP955 PVD,1978-02-07 17:00,KPVD 071700Z 36017G22KT 1SM -SN -BLSN OVC/// BKN008 OVC020 M03/M04 A2940 RMK SLP954 T10321038 PVD,1978-02-07 18:00,KPVD 071800Z 36019G29KT 1SM -SN -BLSN OVC/// BKN012 BKN020 M03/M04 A2940 RMK SLP954 60008 T10281039 PVD,1978-02-07 19:00,KPVD 071900Z 36018G23KT 1SM -SN -BLSN OVC/// OVC012 M03/M04 A2943 RMK SLP965 T10271038 PVD,1978-02-07 20:00,KPVD 072000Z 36016G21KT 1SM -SN -BLSN OVC/// BKN012 OVC025 M03/M04 A2947 RMK SLP978 T10271038 PVD,1978-02-07 21:00,KPVD 072100Z 36013KT 1SM -SN -BLSN OVC/// BKN/// OVC/// M03/M04 A//// RMK SLP992 P0001 T10281039 PVD,1978-02-07 22:00,KPVD 072200Z 34012G23KT 1SM -SN -BLSN OVC/// OVC010 A2956 RMK SLP010 PVD,1978-02-07 23:00,KPVD 072300Z 34013G23KT 1SM -SN -BLSN OVC/// OVC011 M03/M04 A2960 RMK SLP024 P0001 T10271038 PVD,1978-02-08 00:00,KPVD 080000Z 36012KT 1SM -SN -BLSN OVC011 M03/M04 A2965 RMK SLP040 P0002 60004 T10281039 PVD,1978-02-08 01:00,KPVD 080100Z 36013G21KT 11/2SM -SN -BLSN BKN013 A2969 RMK SLP052 PVD,1978-02-08 01:33,KPVD 080133Z 36018KT 7SM -SN BKN013 A2971 RMK SLPNO PVD,1978-02-08 02:00,KPVD 080200Z 36014G20KT 7SM -SN BKN015 M03/M04 A2973 RMK SLP068 T10321043 PVD,1978-02-08 03:00,KPVD 080300Z 36013G20KT 7SM -SN BKN015 M03/M05 A2977 RMK SLP081 T10331050 PVD,1978-02-08 04:00,KPVD 080400Z 34013G20KT 10SM BKN015 M03/M05 A2982 RMK SLP096 T10271049 ORH,1978-02-06 14:15,KORH 061415Z AUTO 05012KT 5SM OVC006 M09/M12 A3005 RMK T10881121 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-06 15:00,METAR KORH 061500Z 04014KT 6SM -SN OVC006 M09/M12 A3004 RMK SLP198 T10891122 ORH,1978-02-06 16:00,METAR KORH 061600Z 04016KT 3SM -SN OVC008 M08/M12 A2999 RMK SLP182 P0001 T10821116 ORH,1978-02-06 17:08,KORH 061708Z AUTO 04014KT 1 1/2SM OBS006 M08/M12 A2992 RMK SLP152 T10821116 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-06 17:09,KORH 061709Z AUTO 04017KT 1/2SM OBS003 M08/M10 A2989 RMK T10821105 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-06 18:00,METAR KORH 061800Z 05018KT 1/4SM -SN -BLSN OVC/// M08/M11 A//// RMK SLP132 P0003 T10781106 ORH,1978-02-06 18:08,KORH 061808Z AUTO 05018KT 1/4SM OBS003 M08/M10 A2987 RMK SLP132 T10771105 50000 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-06 19:08,KORH 061908Z AUTO 05021KT 1/4SM OBS001 M08/M10 A2979 RMK SLP115 T10821099 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-06 20:07,KORH 062007Z AUTO 05023KT 0SM OBS000 M08/M10 A2975 RMK SLP094 T10821099 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-06 21:00,METAR KORH 062100Z 05022KT 0SM -SN -BLSN OVC/// M08/M10 A//// RMK SLP078 P0004 T10831100 ORH,1978-02-06 21:08,KORH 062108Z AUTO 05022KT 0SM OBS000 M08/M10 A2971 RMK 60012 SLP078 T10821099 57051 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-06 22:08,KORH 062208Z AUTO 05025KT 0SM OBS000 M09/M10 A2966 RMK SLP067 T10881099 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-06 23:08,KORH 062308Z AUTO 04024KT 0SM OBS000 M09/M10 A2960 RMK SLP050 T10931105 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 00:00,METAR KORH 070000Z 04026KT 0SM SN -BLSN OVC/// M10/M11 A//// RMK SLP028 P0009 T11001111 ORH,1978-02-07 00:08,KORH 070008Z AUTO 04026KT 0SM OBS000 M10/M11 A2954 RMK 60031 SLP028 T10991110 57047 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 01:07,KORH 070107Z AUTO 04028KT 0SM OBS000 M09/M10 A2947 RMK SLP002 T10931105 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 02:07,KORH 070207Z AUTO 04024KT 0SM OBS000 M09/M10 A2947 RMK SLP002 T10881105 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 03:00,METAR KORH 070300Z 05025KT 0SM SN -BLSN OVC/// M08/M10 A//// RMK SLP002 P0012 T10831100 ORH,1978-02-07 03:07,KORH 070307Z AUTO 05025KT 0SM OBS000 M08/M10 A2946 RMK 60039 SLP002 T10821099 56025 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 04:07,KORH 070407Z AUTO 04024KT 0SM OBS000 A2946 RMK IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 05:07,KORH 070507Z AUTO 04021KT 0SM OBS000 M08/M09 A2945 RMK SLP999 T10771093 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 06:00,METAR KORH 070600Z 04021KT 0SM SN -BLSN OVC/// M08/M09 A2942 RMK SLP988 P0011 60075 T10831094 ORH,1978-02-07 07:00,KORH 070700Z AUTO 03023KT 1/8SM OBS000 M08/M10 A2940 RMK SLP980 T10821099 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 07:07,KORH 070707Z AUTO 04021KT 1/8SM OBS000 M08/M10 A2940 RMK SLP980 T10821099 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 08:07,KORH 070807Z AUTO 04020KT 1/4SM OBS000 M08/M10 A2938 RMK SLP973 T10821105 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 09:00,METAR KORH 070900Z 04022KT 1/4SM SN -BLSN OVC001 M08/M10 A2934 RMK SLP959 P0003 T10831100 ORH,1978-02-07 10:00,METAR KORH 071000Z 03018KT 6SM CLR M08/M10 A2933 RMK SLPNO P0002 T10771099 ORH,1978-02-07 11:09,KORH 071109Z AUTO 03019KT 3/8SM OBS001 M08/M10 A2932 RMK SLP948 T10771099 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 12:00,METAR KORH 071200Z 02020KT 1/4SM SN -BLSN OVC/// M07/M09 A//// RMK SLP952 P0002 T10721094 ORH,1978-02-07 12:10,KORH 071210Z AUTO 02020KT 1/4SM OBS001 M07/M09 A2933 RMK 60028 70138 SLP952 T10711093 55007 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 13:00,KORH 071300Z AUTO 03021KT 1/4SM OBS001 M07/M09 A2935 RMK SLP956 T10711088 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 14:00,METAR KORH 071400Z 03022KT 6SM CLR M06/M08 A2936 RMK SLPNO T10601082 ORH,1978-02-07 14:08,KORH 071408Z AUTO 03020KT 1SM BKN003 OVC246 M07/M08 A2935 RMK SLP963 T10661082 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 15:00,METAR KORH 071500Z 03017KT 3/4SM -BLSN OVC/// M06/M08 A//// RMK SLP970 T10561083 ORH,1978-02-07 15:09,KORH 071509Z AUTO 03017KT 1SM OVC003 M06/M08 A2937 RMK SLP970 T10551082 52017 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 15:32,KORH 071532Z AUTO 02017KT 1/2SM OBS002 M06/M08 A2938 RMK T10551082 50000 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 16:10,KORH 071610Z AUTO 03016KT 1/2SM OBS002 M06/M08 A2939 RMK SLP976 T10551077 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 17:00,METAR KORH 071700Z 02019KT 6SM CLR M05/M07 A2940 RMK SLPNO P0006 T10491071 ORH,1978-02-07 17:08,KORH 071708Z AUTO 03018KT 1/2SM OBS002 M05/M07 A2940 RMK SLP979 T10491071 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 18:00,METAR KORH 071800Z 02015KT 1/4SM +SN -BLSN OVC/// M05/M07 A2941 RMK SLP979 P0005 T10501072 ORH,1978-02-07 18:09,KORH 071809Z AUTO 02015KT 1/4SM OBS001 M05/M07 A2941 RMK 60016 SLP979 T10491071 51010 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 19:00,METAR KORH 071900Z 36016KT 6SM CLR M04/M07 A2946 RMK SLPNO P0010 T10431066 ORH,1978-02-07 19:27,KORH 071927Z AUTO 01013KT 1/4SM OBS001 M04/M07 A2945 RMK SLP992 T10431066 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 20:00,METAR KORH 072000Z 01020KT 6SM CLR M04/M06 A2951 RMK SLPNO P0009 T10431060 ORH,1978-02-07 20:07,KORH 072007Z AUTO 02015KT 1/4SM OBS001 M04/M07 A2947 RMK SLP999 T10431066 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 21:00,METAR KORH 072100Z 36015KT 1/4SM SN -BLSN OVC/// M04/M06 A2954 RMK SLP015 P0009 T10441061 ORH,1978-02-07 21:08,KORH 072108Z AUTO 36015KT 1/4SM OBS001 M04/M06 A2953 RMK 60028 SLP015 T10431060 53036 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 22:00,METAR KORH 072200Z 36018KT 1/4SM SN -BLSN OVC001 M04/M06 A2957 RMK SLP029 P0010 T10431060 ORH,1978-02-07 23:00,METAR KORH 072300Z 01022KT 6SM CLR M04/M07 A2962 RMK SLPNO P0008 T10431066 ORH,1978-02-07 23:07,KORH 072307Z AUTO 01013KT 1/2SM OBS001 M04/M07 A2961 RMK SLP029 T10431066 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-07 23:30,KORH 072330Z AUTO 01016KT 1SM OBS002 M04/M07 A2964 RMK T10431071 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-08 00:00,METAR KORH 080000Z 01017KT 2SM -SN -BLSN OVC/// M04/M07 A2966 RMK SLP058 P0003 T10441072 ORH,1978-02-08 00:08,KORH 080008Z AUTO 01017KT 2SM OBS003 M04/M07 A2964 RMK 60047 SLP058 T10431071 52041 IEM_DS3505 ORH,1978-02-08 01:00,METAR KORH 080100Z 01021KT 6SM CLR M04/M07 A2969 RMK SLPNO T10431071 BOS,1978-02-06 15:31,KBOS 061531Z AUTO 06022G30KT 5SM SCT010 OVC024 A3016 RMK IEM_DS3505 BOS,1978-02-06 16:00,METAR KBOS 061600Z 07026G35KT 5SM -SN SCT012 OVC024 01/M01 A3012 RMK SLP200 T00111006 BOS,1978-02-06 17:00,METAR KBOS 061700Z 07025G37KT 5SM -SN SCT012 BKN019 OVC022 01/M01 A3006 RMK SLP180 P0001 T00111011 BOS,1978-02-06 18:00,METAR KBOS 061800Z 06030G43KT 5SM -SN SCT015 OVC017 00/M02 A3000 RMK SLP159 60001 T00001017 BOS,1978-02-06 19:00,METAR KBOS 061900Z 06032G47KT 11/2SM -SN -BLSN OVC015 M01/M02 A2996 RMK SLP146 T10061022 BOS,1978-02-06 20:00,METAR KBOS 062000Z 06033KT 4SM -SN -BLSN OVC/// M01/M03 A2993 RMK SLP136 T10111028 BOS,1978-02-06 20:03,KBOS 062003Z AUTO 06038G47KT 2SM OVC015 A2991 RMK IEM_DS3505 BOS,1978-02-06 20:07,KBOS 062007Z AUTO 06035G47KT 1SM OVC015 A2990 RMK IEM_DS3505 BOS,1978-02-06 21:00,METAR KBOS 062100Z 06041G54KT 3/4SM -SN -BLSN OVC/// OVC009 M02/M03 A2985 RMK SLP108 P0002 T10171028 BOS,1978-02-06 21:34,KBOS 062134Z AUTO 06042G54KT 2SM POB000 OVC010 A2985 RMK IEM_DS3505 BOS,1978-02-06 22:00,METAR KBOS 062200Z 06042G56KT 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02005KT 1/4SM SN FG OVC001 02/01 A2932 RMK SLPNO T00170006 EWB,1978-02-07 16:00,METAR KEWB 071600Z 02015KT 1SM SN FG OVC001 02/01 A2932 RMK SLPNO T00220006 EWB,1978-02-07 17:00,METAR KEWB 071700Z 04015G25KT 1SM SN FG OVC001 02/00 A2933 RMK SLPNO T00220000 EWB,1978-02-07 18:00,METAR KEWB 071800Z 01015G25KT 1/2SM SN FG OVC001 02/00 A2933 RMK SLPNO T00170000 EWB,1978-02-07 19:00,METAR KEWB 071900Z 02018G30KT 1/2SM SN FG OVC001 01/00 A2935 RMK SLPNO T00110000 EWB,1978-02-07 20:00,METAR KEWB 072000Z 01018G28KT 1/4SM SN FG OVC/// 02/00 A2939 RMK SLPNO T00170000 EWB,1978-02-07 21:00,METAR KEWB 072100Z 02015G30KT 3/4SM SN FG OVC001 00/M01 A2943 RMK SLPNO T00001010 EWB,1978-02-07 22:00,METAR KEWB 072200Z 01015KT 1/4SM SN FG OVC001 M01/M02 A2948 RMK SLPNO T10101021 EWB,1978-02-07 23:00,METAR KEWB 072300Z 02018G35KT 1/4SM SN FG OVC001 M01/M02 A2953 RMK SLPNO T10101021 EWB,1978-02-08 00:00,METAR KEWB 080000Z 02020G30KT 1/4SM SN FG OVC001 M02/M03 A2958 RMK SLPNO T10161027 EWB,1978-02-08 02:00,METAR KEWB 080200Z 01018G28KT 2SM -SN OVC010 M02/M04 A2967 RMK SLPNO T10161038 EWB,1978-02-08 03:00,METAR KEWB 080300Z 01015G25KT 3SM -SN FG OVC012 M02/M04 A2971 RMK SLPNO T10161043 EWB,1978-02-08 04:00,METAR KEWB 080400Z 01015G22KT 3SM -SN FG OVC012 M02/M04 A2976 RMK SLPNO T10211043 EWB,1978-02-08 12:00,METAR KEWB 081200Z 01010KT 10SM BKN100 M04/M08 A3001 RMK SLPNO T10431077 EWB,1978-02-08 13:00,METAR KEWB 081300Z 36009KT 20SM SCT100 BKN200 M04/M07 A3004 RMK SLPNO T10431071 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaStorm05 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, backedgeapproaching said: I think most of those DEC 20 40+" reports were just ruler in the ground reports, there really wasn't enough time for any clearing, it was all in like 9-10 hours. One clear would have been the max, if it was even done. Im not sure how much the total would have increased from that one clear anyway--maybe in the absolute max spot could have been near uppper 40s to 50". No one had 50"+ on the ground, but pretty damn close. There are pics of 42-44" OTG. I measured 33-34" OTG a full 30 hours after it stopped in that prime zone just north of me, obviously it was pure fluff so it was settling quickly, showing it was certainly 40"+ OTG the day prior, but 50" probably a stretch. I don’t fully understand the practice of “clearing” because to me it seeks to inflate or alter what is actually going on. What I mean is that…. Since we, as laymen, measure snow depth by how deep the snow is on the ground, it should be measured just as it ends up by the end of storm. The action of clearing is like half-way to the practice of measuring water content in the snow. The water content may vary but 2 inches of snow is read as 2 inches of snow. If it were me I just stick a ruler in the snowpack and measure it’s depth. I can get an alternative true measurement by measuring the water content within. But since we measure snowfall by it’s accumulation as laymen and not it’s water content, might was well not bother clearing just because we know that by the time 20 inches has fallen as a snowpack, it’s gonna be compacted to a certain extent. In my mind clearing several times to exclude settling is not relevant… it only measures what the accumulation could have been if only it were not subjected to the laws of physics. who am I to argue about procedures, but it’s how I understand it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, IowaStorm05 said: I don’t fully understand the practice of “clearing” because to me it seeks to inflate or alter what is actually going on. What I mean is that…. Since we, as laymen, measure snow depth by how deep the snow is on the ground, it should be measured just as it ends up by the end of storm. The action of clearing is like half-way to the practice of measuring water content in the snow. The water content may vary but 2 inches is 2 inches. If it were me I just stick a fork in the snowpack and measure it’s depth. I can get an alternative true measurement by measuring the water content within. But since we measure snowfall by it’s accumulation as laymen and not it’s water content, might was well not bother clearing just because we know that by the time 20 inches has fallen as a snowpack, it’s gonna be compacted to a certain extent. who am I to argue about procedures, but it’s how I understand it. Well, we have certainly had the clear vs no clear debate too many times to mention on here...lol. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, IowaStorm05 said: I don’t fully understand the practice of “clearing” because to me it seeks to inflate or alter what is actually going on. What I mean is that…. Since we, as laymen, measure snow depth by how deep the snow is on the ground, it should be measured just as it ends up by the end of storm. The action of clearing is like half-way to the practice of measuring water content in the snow. The water content may vary but 2 inches of snow is read as 2 inches of snow. If it were me I just stick a fork in the snowpack and measure it’s depth. I can get an alternative true measurement by measuring the water content within. But since we measure snowfall by it’s accumulation as laymen and not it’s water content, might was well not bother clearing just because we know that by the time 20 inches has fallen as a snowpack, it’s gonna be compacted to a certain extent. who am I to argue about procedures, but it’s how I understand it. Been down this road before, but in short, the more snow you get the more the weight of it compacts upon itself. In LES areas like BUF you can get a 2 day event where the rates could be the same both days yet the depth doesn't change at all (or even drops) on day 2. Does that mean day 2 should go in as 0" for the day even though with clearing it was the same as day 1? That's an extreme example, but it's happened like that before out there. 6hrs has become the accepted clearing threshold that allows for some compaction yet doesn't overinflate it too much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaStorm05 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, backedgeapproaching said: Well, we have certainly had the clear vs no clear debate too many times to mention on here...lol. I’m sure you have! And now that we are done with that it’s time to argue about the standard size kitchen trash cans and bags is too small. If you live in a big apartment it’s annoying to have to take it out almost every single day. If only they changed 13 gallon to…. 19 gallon. Might be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaStorm05 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, dendrite said: Been down this road before, but in short, the more snow you get the more the weight of it compacts upon itself. In LES areas like BUF you can get a 2 day event where the rates could be the same both days yet the depth doesn't change at all (or even drops) on day 2. Does that mean day 2 should go in as 0" for the day even though with clearing it was the same as day 1? That's an extreme example, but it's happened like that before out there. 6hrs has become the accepted clearing threshold that allows for some compaction yet doesn't overinflate it too much. It’s a compelling argument…. Because if you do clear a surface after 4 inches of snow, then 5 more inches subsequently accumulated on said surface, you got your 5 inches. But the earth does not clear itself in such a way. Your back yard is going to have the end result of the two events. The solution could be offered to just say “the water content of our snowpack increased by .30 today. There are now 9 inches of snow on the ground, when yesterday there was 7.5” 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Blizzard Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, dendrite said: Been down this road before, but in short, the more snow you get the more the weight of it compacts upon itself. In LES areas like BUF you can get a 2 days event where the rates could be the same both days yet the depth doesn't change at all (or even drops) on day 2. Does that mean day 2 should go in as 0" for the day even though with clearing it was the same as day 1? That's an extreme example, but it's happened like that before out there. 6hrs has become the accepted clearing threshold that allows for some compaction yet doesn't overinflate it too much. In a storm without much wind, the clearing method should be quite accurate. But what happens in a storm with 30-40 MPH winds? How accurate is it then? Especially with powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George001 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 The polar vortex is extremely strong and is expected to deepen again, yet the pattern looks great on the models. Looking at this I would think 2011-2012, but that clearly isn’t the case. What’s going on here? I read that although the polar vortex is strong, it isn’t super consolidated, had a minor disruption already, and is expected to have another mid month. Or is it more that the pattern is being driven by other factors like the pacific and MJO? Maybe instead of an extended duration episode of North Atlantic blocking we score via a great pacific and overall positive NAO, but transient periods of blocking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, 78Blizzard said: In a storm without much wind, the clearing method should be quite accurate. But what happens in a storm with 30-40 MPH winds? How accurate is it then? Especially with powder. Its almost impossible IMO. I never clear in any wind events, which I get from time to time here. And they are normally more on the dry side, so it just blows off the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George001 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 What’s interesting is the extended range is trending better as well despite the strong polar vortex. The CFS has shifted from a blowtorch Feb to showing avg temps. There is also some ridging poking into Alaska which hopefully would counteract the limited North Atlantic blocking. We had blocking the entire December and nothing to show for it due to one of the worst pacific patterns on record. There was a massive trough out west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 27 minutes ago, dendrite said: Been down this road before, but in short, the more snow you get the more the weight of it compacts upon itself. In LES areas like BUF you can get a 2 day event where the rates could be the same both days yet the depth doesn't change at all (or even drops) on day 2. Does that mean day 2 should go in as 0" for the day even though with clearing it was the same as day 1? That's an extreme example, but it's happened like that before out there. 6hrs has become the accepted clearing threshold that allows for some compaction yet doesn't overinflate it too much. Not to derail the thread, but NWS tossed 2 potential 24hr VT state records from DEC 20 near me in SVT-Peru and Landgrove. They don't specify clears, but say "NWS guidines" not followed or something. 20210315-Vermont-24-Hour-Snowfall-Rejected (1).pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Fukin Brian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice1972 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 4 hours ago, powderfreak said: They get some monsters from time to time though in the central NY zone. West of ALB and north of BGM have had numerous 36”+ events past 15 years. 2/14/07 3/14/17 12/17/20 Oh for christs sakes valentines 2007…..straight to the GFY file…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Blizzard Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 GFS wide right and meh on the Friday deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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