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January Medium/Long Range Discussion


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4 minutes ago, stormtracker said:

Well, that came out of nowhere.   Unfortunately, not sure it's believable with all the shit flying around on every model with each different run.

lol. 989 off the VA capes.  

Not really out of nowhere. That period from Fri-Sun keeps popping up in some fashion across the models. It’s there on the gefs too. 
 

We are gonna get a smedium sized event next weekend. Count in it. Lol 

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2 hours ago, Ji said:

Very frustrating not seeing anything on the models

 

2 hours ago, Vice-Regent said:

People got baited in by what I would describe as a faux kind of pattern where people thought we had a chance. Mountains and Maine can still cash in.

 

1 hour ago, jaydreb said:

Too late.  12z GFS is a total disaster.   Boring for days followed by a monster storm that avoids DC before curving out to nail NYC and Boston.   ;)

 

1 hour ago, Vice-Regent said:

Once the big players start coming onto the field they dredge up so much moisture and heat in the system.

So far we have only dealt with northern stream systems and clipper-type stuff.

 

1 hour ago, Rockem_sockem_connection said:

Looks like a nice and quiet stretch coming up. Should get through January without any drama and then the unofficial start to fishing season aka st Patrick's day is right around the corner!!

-RSC

So far these posts are aging well. Let’s follow them over the next few days.

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8 minutes ago, SnowenOutThere said:

Everyone bashing the MLK Friday/Saturday system.

 

12z Euro: I’m bout to pull a pro gamer move

The trof axis is way to far east for our Lattitude.  We need it to get out of the way or it's going to screw up the next few opportunities. 

If it's far enough west to hit New England it's going to screw us for later in the weekend.

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The best analysis I can give right now has to do with the people here and not the upcoming upper level setup... The "personality" on winter wx that showed up right before the Monday storm hasn't gone anywhere. Sneaky busy flow has the potential to go from apparent nothingness to wtf omg then back to nothingness and repeat ad nauseum in the mid-long range. Just let time pass and let it all happen until some sort of consensus shows up. We can easily get a big storm out of nowhere or have what seems to be a long track evaporate in a blink.  We simply don't have the tech and tools yet to make real sense of the flow and shortwaves beyond 3-4 days in this regime. 

For me, all I care about is the "general idea" of busy flow with highs and lows in good enough places in the longwave pattern.. Then just pass time until one becomes "real". Sure doesn't look like a 1 and done small window to me. So if one fails, it doesn't matter nearly as much. Heck, maybe a fail becomes a beast 50/50. Not all fails are bad and multiple chances seem almost certain at this point. 

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1 minute ago, Bob Chill said:

The best analysis I can give right now has to do with the people here and not the upcoming upper level setup... The "personality" on winter wx that showed up right before the Monday storm hasn't gone anywhere. Sneaky busy flow has the potential to go from apparent nothingness to wtf omg then back to nothingness and repeat ad nauseum in the mid-long range. Just let time pass and let it all happen until some sort of consensus shows up. We can easily get a big storm out of nowhere or have what seems to be a long track evaporate in a blink.  We simply don't have the tech and tools yet to make real sense of the flow and shortwaves beyond 3-4 days in this regime. 

For me, all I care about is the "general idea" of busy flow with highs and lows in good enough places in the longwave pattern.. Then just pass time until one becomes "real". Sure doesn't look like a 1 and done small window to me. So if one fails, it doesn't matter nearly as much. Heck, maybe a fail becomes a beast 50/50. Not all fails are bad and multiple chances seem almost certain at this point. 

Good post.  It’s pretty much where I’m at. It’s a lot of shit flying around and models prob won’t get key features right at long leads. 

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The trough axis has been generally too far east on the model runs. However, there’s a difference between a miller B from a ns dominant system or clipper versus one where there’s a southern stream component involved (more of a hybrid). With the latter we can still score from overrunning prior to an epic dry slot.  Hiking through gambrill/watershed yesterday (catoctin blue and knucklebuster for those familiar with the area) made me realize it doesn’t take much to turn things into winter here. It was pure powder. With that said, I’d accept a hecs too.

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32 minutes ago, Chris78 said:

The trof axis is way to far east for our Lattitude.  We need it to get out of the way or it's going to screw up the next few opportunities. 

If it's far enough west to hit New England it's going to screw us for later in the weekend.

So if the Friday storm gets close to hitting it messes up another potential storm around Monday which has more potential? Just don’t really see a reason to root against a potential snowstorm.

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Bob's on the money, no surprise.  I'll be checking in every day or two and not sweating it.  The overall pattern is better than we've seen in a long while and I'm happy to be patient and wait for the stars (or jet :D) to align in our favor.  I honestly expected nothing more than a couple of small events this year given the La Nina, so I'm happy with whatever comes and pleasantly surprised we got some decent snow already. 

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1 hour ago, Kmlwx said:

Yeah - every run it's amazing to watch all the little vort pieces and such just screaming around the CONUS. Feels like a week where stuff is going to tease us on certain runs and be completely different on the next. Chaotic. 

I mentioned similar to luvr yesterday. We’re going to see big storms pop up on guidance and then disappear, only for others to pop up two runs later with the “new” threats being on completely different days.

Someone is going to get smacked - maybe multiple times - before this runs its course. It could well be us or we could whiff completely (which I doubt), but the pattern is ripe.

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