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January Medium/Long Range Discussion


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The reason the gfs has such a monster is a perfect stream phase leading in with solid confluence overhead. This will always create a big storm somewhere. Problem is, the odds of a global op nailing a stream phase beyond 5 days is very very low. 10 days? Lol. Fun fiction but not much more. 

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22 minutes ago, Bob Chill said:

The reason the gfs has such a monster is a perfect stream phase leading in with solid confluence overhead. This will always create a big storm somewhere. Problem is, the odds of a global op nailing a stream phase beyond 5 days is very very low. 10 days? Lol. Fun fiction but not much more. 

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Perfect timing for the WinterWxLuvr in house model op run probability of being correct function. Days on the horizontal axis and probability on the vertical. 
 

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13 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Wow...I mean I know it's still very early, but...how do you have this potential in a nina? Lol More STJ than usual?

This is the part of weather that constantly shows us that we are a long way away from really predicting anything seasonally when it comes to snowfall around here (or anywhere really). Some enso phases are better than others. That's indisputable. But that never stops counter periods of compressed and busy winter wx from happening. It just happens sometimes for reasons nobody can or will predict. Nino, Nina, nada, it doesn't matter.

Neither does a raging +AO/NAO combo. Yea, that can def be a big problem. But 2013-14 and some of 2015 dropped by and reminded us to not think we know enough about the atmosphere for any kind of definitive calls at monthly or seasonal ranges. Just enjoy what we may or may not get as things look good in the mid range and forget about enso or any super long range thing for now. Time to make hay or something like that 

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1 minute ago, Bob Chill said:

This is the part of weather that constantly shows us that we are a long way away from really predicting anything seasonally when it comes to snowfall around here (or anywhere really). Some enso phases are better than others. That's indisputable. But that never stops counter periods of compressed and busy winter wx from happening. It just happens sometimes for reasons nobody can or will predict. Nino, Nina, nada, it doesn't matter.

Neither does a raging +AO/NAO combo. Yea, that can def be a big problem. But 2013-14 and some of 2015 dropped by and reminded us to not think we know enough about the atmosphere for any kind of definitive calls at monthly or seasonal ranges. Just enjoy what we may or may not get as things look good in the mid range and forget about enso or any super long range thing for now. Time to make hay or something like that 

Perfect. No way to say this better. We don’t KNOW, we’ve never KNOWN, and we will never KNOW. This is why optimism is the way to go because … why not?

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11 minutes ago, WinterWxLuvr said:

This may be the winter, and period, that I have the highest hopes for. My reason is I want to go back to the winter thread from the fall. Mods better lock that thread because I may be trolling the hell out of some people when this thing is done.

My comment in that thread is relevant. Seasonal weather really is a roll of the dice. Sometimes global conditions have loaded the dice, but you still get to roll. 

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10 minutes ago, WinterWxLuvr said:

Perfect. No way to say this better. We don’t KNOW, we’ve never KNOWN, and we will never KNOW. This is why optimism is the way to go because … why not?

Why not? Because if you're optimistic you can be further disappointed...where as if you're already pessimistic, you kinda get it out the way if it doesn't work out, and are ecstatic if it does. Man I've literally had people on here sarcastically say that it's better to "expect a fail" around here. So like...which is it? Lol

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