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January Medium/Long Range Discussion


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My personal guess is a big storm prob won't set up until a few of the legit cold troughs carve thru and create some highways. Maybe an overrunner or moderate event of any kind b4.  Me thinks big storm potential is on the relax side of the cold pattern. Just a WAG. No real ideas on anything specific. 

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3 minutes ago, Bob Chill said:

My personal guess is a big storm prob won't set up until a few of the legit cold troughs carve thru and create some highways. Maybe an overrunner or moderate event of any kind b4.  Me thinks big storm potential is on the relax side of the cold pattern. Just a WAG. No real ideas on anything specific. 

I tend to agree but I’m always open to Mother Nature surprising me. But it looks like we have a real winter this year at least. 

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21 minutes ago, Bob Chill said:

My personal guess is a big storm prob won't set up until a few of the legit cold troughs carve thru and create some highways. Maybe an overrunner or moderate event of any kind b4.  Me thinks big storm potential is on the relax side of the cold pattern. Just a WAG. No real ideas on anything specific. 

Rather be in the 60’s the days leading up to a 6-12 incher versus  20’s and low 30’s for highs and no snow lol. Heck we pulled it off earlier in the week!!!!

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Yea I’m in the camp to where the way the year has gone thus far something will show up on the back end of the short range to early medium range. A lot of little nuances happening in the atmosphere as of recent wrt lows just ripping through. Hard to time or predict until it gets closer in time.

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40 minutes ago, Bob Chill said:

My personal guess is a big storm prob won't set up until a few of the legit cold troughs carve thru and create some highways. Maybe an overrunner or moderate event of any kind b4.  Me thinks big storm potential is on the relax side of the cold pattern. Just a WAG. No real ideas on anything specific. 

Great thing about cold in the northeast is that an overrunner/tn/oh valley cutter can be a lot of fun. I want one of those followed by a Midwest arctic blast with a Miller A running the coast with that cold pushing in followed quickly by a stout clipper bringing a 1985 cold shot right behind it. Theoretically it could happen.

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1 hour ago, psuhoffman said:

I tend to agree but I’m always open to Mother Nature surprising me. But it looks like we have a real winter this year at least. 

Winter wx here is perplexing. I'm starting to no longer care about anything in the Fall. Even enso. I mean sure, mod Nino ftw but for whatever reason, our good winter periods are compressed and busy and they can happen in any year. Odds favor certain years but I've seen enough counter moves over the last 15 years to temper any and all expectations of anything beyond a couple weeks. 

 

Eta: important addition to my post... big storm setups are different and they are the holy grail of why we do this. Good setups can be easy to identify weeks or even a month in advance. I'll track TF out of every single one from long range. Beyond that I'm officially in chips fall mode prob forever 

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A slight change of plans. Improvement in the MJO, tropical forcing and for the first time in a while we have

a  SOI reading of - 7.63  today. 

 

Date Tahiti (hPa) Darwin (hPa) Daily Contribution 30 day Av. SOI 90 day Av. SOI
7 Jan 2022 1011.09 1008.10 -7.63 10.53 9.97
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28 minutes ago, Bob Chill said:

Winter wx here is perplexing. I'm starting to no longer care about anything in the Fall. Even enso. I mean sure, mod Nino ftw but for whatever reason, our good winter periods are compressed and busy and they can happen in any year. Odds favor certain years but I've seen enough counter moves over the last 15 years to temper any and all expectations of anything beyond a couple weeks. 

 

Eta: important addition to my post... big storm setups are different and they are the holy grail of why we do this. Good setups can be easy to identify weeks or even a month in advance. I'll track TF out of every single one from long range. Beyond that I'm officially in chips fall mode prob forever 

This is so true Bob! Thanks for posting. I mean, I was all doom and gloom, and only expecting to see cold and snow maybe in February if we were lucky! This winter is now better than I expected. Additionally, I thought I was right while sweltering in December. I do suspect we have another warmer stretch at some point before maybe one last hurrah to make winter last a bit longer after the pattern changes.. but I can hope it doesn't change! I like winter to feel and be like winter that I want! Today is that kind of winter.. I know I live in the wrong part of the world to get this every year, but it makes even smaller events special. 

ALSO, great to see you pop in here some and comment! I learned so much from you over the last several years!! You may have thought from a productive side of things this was all a waste, but for weenies on this board, your knowledge and input were invaluable and I thank you very much! That probably did not help your paycheck, or maybe even relationships since this was such a time suck.. but thank you for pouring it into this board! 

 

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Getting more impressive every run. Cross-polar flow and quick moving disturbances.  

Depending on whether we can put down some snow cover will determine if we have a wintery landscape to go along with the frigid temperatures.  Any snow cover would certainly  enhance even lower temperatures. 

 

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1 minute ago, IronTy said:

JB is obviously all over the rest of this month but thinks a warm up is in store for February.  I'd be ok with that.  

We could all be above climo (with some luck) in the next 2 weeks. If that were to happen, I’m just eyeing February up as a gravy month. ;)

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14 minutes ago, Scraff said:

We could all be above climo (with some luck) in the next 2 weeks. If that were to happen, I’m just eyeing February up as a gravy month. ;)

Just given how time periods usually line up, if we score a couple times between now and the end of the month, I can absolutely imagine a situation in which events would be hard to come by in much of February. I wouldn't give up at that point, though, as I could then see things lining up once more for a couple weeks as February turns to March.

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