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January Medium/Long Range Discussion


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36 minutes ago, Ji said:

Oh yes it does. That’s “incoming” right there. And I was saying in the zoom chat tonight how the pattern really looks way more like a Nino than Nina in the long range.  We had a Nino that acted like a Nina recently so maybe we’re due. 

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32 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

Oh yes it does. That’s “incoming” right there. And I was saying in the zoom chat tonight how the pattern really looks way more like a Nino than Nina in the long range.  We had a Nino that acted like a Nina recently so maybe we’re due. 

Oh dang there was a chat tonight? (Ah I'll check the other thread next time, lol)

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Continuing to look good mid month and beyond as the Nina has become more East based in a rather pronouned fashion.  

Favorable changes in the Pac near the Date Line ( MJO , some warming Nino 4 ) have presented a more increasingly Nino-ish outcome with a STJ influence. Moving forward next week we will have a declining NAO courtesy of a Atlantic wave breaking event while we await the positive PNA spike. 

Latest indications are the AO goes back to neutral to slightly negative which may then possibly lead to a - NAM state. 

This sets the stage for possible snow events mid month and beyond.  

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Warming in Nino 4 recently. 

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     https://twitter.com/WorldClimateSvc/status/1478098875567296520

 

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27 minutes ago, WinterWxLuvr said:

You have to be joking with this comment.

What? I mean his comment made it sound like it was set in stone something, lol But reading again I guess it was more tongue-in-cheek. But this IS  along range thread after...so I guess I take it back.

Eta: Yep--misread the sarcasm, lol Apologies

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31 minutes ago, Yeoman said:

Because regardless of date, its the most ridiculous model solution I've ever seen and thought it was hilarious?

It's the fabled "blue ball pattern". Hasn't been seen since the last ice age. Caveman weenies were off the rails last time it happened. They found snowmaps carved into cave walls during a dig

 

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5 minutes ago, Bob Chill said:

It's the fabled "blue ball pattern". Hasn't been seen since the last ice age. Caveman weenies were off the rails last time it happened. They found snowmaps carved into cave walls during a dig

 

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I bet there is still a warm nose somewhere in the column

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25 minutes ago, Bob Chill said:

It's the fabled "blue ball pattern". Hasn't been seen since the last ice age. Caveman weenies were off the rails last time it happened. They found snowmaps carved into cave walls during a dig

 

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Hype post...you know this won't happen as depicted 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, psuhoffman said:

Agree with that, hence why I think we will likely need high lat help to get another favorable window later.  Another -NAO period (assuming we don't go -5 stdv PNA again!) would likely do better later in winter when wavelengths start to shorten some and blocking can have even more impact on the flow.  BTW my comment about the "stock nina" comments was not about you.  You were really clear in your excellent post about the different options.  But there have been some others that want to chalk the record -PNA in December off to "typical nina" and I guess I took issue with that since it was more than just a "nina" since we don't get that extreme a -PNA typically and as we both stated there are various "typical" nina patterns.  Again, it wasn't your post...but there were some doing that recently.  If you scroll through my twitter I kind of called one out the other day.  But I feel bad because its someone I know is really an excellent source of info just thought the "its nina" stuff was overly simplistic and somewhat misleading.  If that was a typical nina we would never snow in a nina lol.  I love your posts btw!  Some of the best on twitter.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  

Thanks psu, means a lot.  Trend of last 4 runs of GFS Ext for Jan 25th

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