Old Crappy Coatesville Snowfall Records!

[LVwxHistorian]

What a strange way to get attention:   be a weather observer and inflate your totals!!!   

I guess it's better than cooking the books of a business or being a drunk school bus driver, but come on!!

[ChescoWx]

12 hours ago, LVwxHistorian said:

Which 70 days?   Not that it really matters, the guy only wanted to be a ham and have the biggest total in the big storms!

He was starved for attention I guess, LOL!!

And what's this 1895 you mentioned?

Now you say "not that it really matters" after saying Coatesville totals were inflated every time and now proven wrong not once.....but 70 times in the period you assured us was each and every time. You should stick to your LV history - your story and goalposts seem to keep changing LOL!!  Do you have any good history to share with us about the LV or just call folks names??

[LVwxHistorian]

1 hour ago, ChescoWx said:

Now you say "not that it really matters" after saying Coatesville totals were inflated every time and now proven wrong not once.....but 70 times in the period you assured us was each and every time. You should stick to your LV history - your story and goalposts seem to keep changing LOL!!  Do you have any good history to share with us about the LV or just call folks names??

So give me the dates so I check them!  I'm saying that the guy only cared to inflate them on the big storms -- the ones people would remember and talk about to this day, like we are, and say "man that Coatesville, they were the big winners again"!! 

For this Gordon, big snow totals = big weiner I guess, LOL  

And what was 1895 about, just a red herring?? 

And Iv'e already posted good LV stuff and will continue.

[ChescoWx]

8 hours ago, LVwxHistorian said:

So give me the dates so I check them!  I'm saying that the guy only cared to inflate them on the big storms -- the ones people would remember and talk about to this day, like we are, and say "man that Coatesville, they were the big winners again"!! 

For this Gordon, big snow totals = big weiner I guess, LOL  

And what was 1895 about, just a red herring?? 

And Iv'e already posted good LV stuff and will continue.

LV you just keep on back pedaling - now it's only the big storms but he is a good reporter for small storms.....LOL!! All 70 times Coatesville reported less than West Chester are detailed below,,,,and this is only over a short 15 year period - that you said was for every snowfall.....weak!!!!

#	Year	Month	NWS WC COOP
1	1895	April	20.9
2	1909	December	13.5
3	1895	February	13.3
4	1895	April	8.8
5	1895	February	7.5
6	1898	November	6
7	1903	February	6
8	1904	December	6
9	1899	February	5.5
10	1904	November	5.5
11	1899	January	5
12	1904	February	4.5
13	1904	December	4.5
14	1896	March	4.3
15	1894	April	4.1
16	1895	April	4.1
17	1903	December	4
18	1908	January	4
19	1908	December	4
20	1894	February	3.5
21	1904	March	3.5
22	1905	December	3.5
23	1899	January	3.3
24	1896	March	3
25	1896	December	3
26	1898	November	3
27	1907	February	3
28	1908	January	3
29	1894	February	2.8
30	1895	January	2.8
31	1907	January	2.8
32	1895	January	2.5
33	1902	January	2.5
34	1897	January	2.3
35	1901	November	2.3
36	1907	December	2.3
37	1898	November	2
38	1900	January	2
39	1901	January	2
40	1903	January	2
41	1907	November	2
42	1909	January	2
43	1896	February	1.8
44	1902	February	1.8
45	1906	January	1.8
46	1907	January	1.8
47	1895	April	1.6
48	1909	February	1.5
49	1909	March	1.5
50	1901	December	1.3
51	1902	January	1.3
52	1904	December	1
53	1907	February	1
54	1904	February	0.8
55	1907	January	0.8
56	1907	January	0.8
57	1907	January	0.8
58	1908	December	0.8
59	1909	January	0.8
60	1909	December	0.8
61	1904	February	0.5
62	1907	December	0.5
63	1904	December	0.3
64	1904	December	0.3
65	1909	January	0.3
66	1909	January	0.3
67	1895	April	0.2
68	1908	December	0.2
69	1909	March	0.2
70	1909	March	0.1

[KamuSnow]

2 hours ago, ChescoWx said:

LV you just keep on back pedaling - now it's only the big storms but he is a good reporter for small storms.....LOL!! All 70 times Coatesville reported less than West Chester are detailed below,,,,and this is only over a short 15 year period - that you said was for every snowfall.....weak!!!!

#	Year	Month	NWS WC COOP
1	1895	April	20.9
2	1909	December	13.5
3	1895	February	13.3
4	1895	April	8.8
5	1895	February	7.5
6	1898	November	6
7	1903	February	6
8	1904	December	6
9	1899	February	5.5
10	1904	November	5.5
11	1899	January	5
12	1904	February	4.5
13	1904	December	4.5
14	1896	March	4.3
15	1894	April	4.1
16	1895	April	4.1
17	1903	December	4
18	1908	January	4
19	1908	December	4
20	1894	February	3.5
21	1904	March	3.5
22	1905	December	3.5
23	1899	January	3.3
24	1896	March	3
25	1896	December	3
26	1898	November	3
27	1907	February	3
28	1908	January	3
29	1894	February	2.8
30	1895	January	2.8
31	1907	January	2.8
32	1895	January	2.5
33	1902	January	2.5
34	1897	January	2.3
35	1901	November	2.3
36	1907	December	2.3
37	1898	November	2
38	1900	January	2
39	1901	January	2
40	1903	January	2
41	1907	November	2
42	1909	January	2
43	1896	February	1.8
44	1902	February	1.8
45	1906	January	1.8
46	1907	January	1.8
47	1895	April	1.6
48	1909	February	1.5
49	1909	March	1.5
50	1901	December	1.3
51	1902	January	1.3
52	1904	December	1
53	1907	February	1
54	1904	February	0.8
55	1907	January	0.8
56	1907	January	0.8
57	1907	January	0.8
58	1908	December	0.8
59	1909	January	0.8
60	1909	December	0.8
61	1904	February	0.5
62	1907	December	0.5
63	1904	December	0.3
64	1904	December	0.3
65	1909	January	0.3
66	1909	January	0.3
67	1895	April	0.2
68	1908	December	0.2
69	1909	March	0.2
70	1909	March	0.1

 

I object!

 

[Birds~69]

What the hell is going on? In one corner we have LVwxHistorian going apeshit about 100yr old snowfall totals, trying to find newspaper clippings from the 1920s and anything in between even though facts have been given. In the opposing corner we have wxman obsessed w/merging subforums and on the verge of calling the state police even though everyone knows for the most part people only care about their area.

Must be the holidays...  

35F

[LVwxHistorian]

5 hours ago, ChescoWx said:

LV you just keep on back pedaling - now it's only the big storms but he is a good reporter for small storms.....LOL!! All 70 times Coatesville reported less than West Chester are detailed below,,,,and this is only over a short 15 year period - that you said was for every snowfall.....weak!!!!

#	Year	Month	NWS WC COOP
1	1895	April	20.9
2	1909	December	13.5
3	1895	February	13.3
4	1895	April	8.8
5	1895	February	7.5
6	1898	November	6
7	1903	February	6
8	1904	December	6
9	1899	February	5.5
10	1904	November	5.5
11	1899	January	5
12	1904	February	4.5
13	1904	December	4.5
14	1896	March	4.3
15	1894	April	4.1
16	1895	April	4.1
17	1903	December	4
18	1908	January	4
19	1908	December	4
20	1894	February	3.5
21	1904	March	3.5
22	1905	December	3.5
23	1899	January	3.3
24	1896	March	3
25	1896	December	3
26	1898	November	3
27	1907	February	3
28	1908	January	3
29	1894	February	2.8
30	1895	January	2.8
31	1907	January	2.8
32	1895	January	2.5
33	1902	January	2.5
34	1897	January	2.3
35	1901	November	2.3
36	1907	December	2.3
37	1898	November	2
38	1900	January	2
39	1901	January	2
40	1903	January	2
41	1907	November	2
42	1909	January	2
43	1896	February	1.8
44	1902	February	1.8
45	1906	January	1.8
46	1907	January	1.8
47	1895	April	1.6
48	1909	February	1.5
49	1909	March	1.5
50	1901	December	1.3
51	1902	January	1.3
52	1904	December	1
53	1907	February	1
54	1904	February	0.8
55	1907	January	0.8
56	1907	January	0.8
57	1907	January	0.8
58	1908	December	0.8
59	1909	January	0.8
60	1909	December	0.8
61	1904	February	0.5
62	1907	December	0.5
63	1904	December	0.3
64	1904	December	0.3
65	1909	January	0.3
66	1909	January	0.3
67	1895	April	0.2
68	1908	December	0.2
69	1909	March	0.2
70	1909	March	0.1

What the F?!   The first 6 are completely wrong: there was 0 snow in April 1895 as Coatesville correctly records -- West Chester was rewriting the precip in the snowfall column!

  Dec 1909 is the one we're already talking about: Coatesville 39.3" vs WC,  22.5"

and Feb 1895 Gordon had 28.2" and WC 15.75"!!

Man amateurs!   What, you just have these tabulated without ever looking at the originals?!!  Just go here

IPS - Record of Climatological Observations - Select State | IPS | National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) (noaa.gov)

Yes, WC had 2.6" more in Nov 1898 -- whoa, call the snow police.

Man, you are an amateur -- At best!  

[LVwxHistorian]

3 hours ago, Birds~69 said:

What the hell is going on? In one corner we have LVwxHistorian going apeshit about 100yr old snowfall totals, trying to find newspaper clippings from the 1920s and anything in between even though facts have been given. In the opposing corner we have wxman obsessed w/merging subforums and on the verge of calling the state police even though everyone knows for the most part people only care about their area.

Must be the holidays...  

35F

If one more person says something about "facts", I really am gonna go apeshit!!   All the facts are on my side!!

[ChescoWx]

Just to clarify those are daily snowfall totals - I failed to include the actual days of the month (see updated below). - those are 70 daily snow observations that Coatesville's observer reported less than West Chester - It appears clear the April 8. 1895 number out of West Chester is wrong - in fact a bunch of the 1895 WC obs look a bit off....

#	Year	Month	Day	CV Snow	WC Snow
1	1895	April	8		20.9
2	1909	December	25	13	13.5
3	1895	February	8	10	13.3
4	1895	April	13		8.8
5	1895	February	21	2	7.5
6	1898	November	26	4.5	6
7	1903	February	16	5	6
8	1904	December	10	5.9	6
9	1899	February	7	3.3	5.5
10	1904	November	13	5	5.5
11	1899	January	1	0	5
12	1904	February	19	4	4.5
13	1904	December	25	4.4	4.5
14	1896	March	11	4	4.3
15	1894	April	9	0	4.1
16	1895	April	2		4.1
17	1903	December	3	2.2	4
18	1908	January	24	3.5	4
19	1908	December	23	2.8	4
20	1894	February	25	3	3.5
21	1904	March	14	2.4	3.5
22	1905	December	15	2.5	3.5
23	1899	January	31	3	3.3
24	1896	March	15	2	3
25	1896	December	16	2.5	3
26	1898	November	27	0.5	3
27	1907	February	1	2	3
28	1908	January	23	2.5	3
29	1894	February	22	2	2.8
30	1895	January	29	2.5	2.8
31	1907	January	17	2.7	2.8
32	1895	January	28	2	2.5
33	1902	January	29	1.8	2.5
34	1897	January	15	2	2.3
35	1901	November	29	2.1	2.3
36	1907	December	4	0.7	2.3
37	1898	November	30	1.1	2
38	1900	January	1	1.5	2
39	1901	January	30	1.5	2
40	1903	January	25	1.2	2
41	1907	November	24	1	2
42	1909	January	17	1.5	2
43	1896	February	19		1.8
44	1902	February	22	1.4	1.8
45	1906	January	8	1.7	1.8
46	1907	January	26	1.5	1.8
47	1895	April	1		1.6
48	1909	February	3	0.6	1.5
49	1909	March	6	1.3	1.5
50	1901	December	23	1.2	1.3
51	1902	January	30	0.7	1.3
52	1904	December	12	0.3	1
53	1907	February	10	0.5	1
54	1904	February	27	0.6	0.8
55	1907	January	27	0.5	0.8
56	1907	January	29	0	0.8
57	1907	January	30	0	0.8
58	1908	December	11	0.5	0.8
59	1909	January	7	0.5	0.8
60	1909	December	13	0.5	0.8
61	1904	February	26	0.3	0.5
62	1907	December	18	0.2	0.5
63	1904	December	13	0	0.3
64	1904	December	15	0.0001	0.3
65	1909	January	8	0.2	0.3
66	1909	January	29	0.2	0.3
67	1895	April	3		0.2
68	1908	December	13	0.1	0.2
69	1909	March	30	0	0.2
70	1909	March	25	0	0.1

 

[LVwxHistorian]

Let me repeat:  there was no snowfall anywhere in the region in April 1895!  None anywhere 

And your data for Feb 8, 1895 is incorrect: they both had 10 inches on the 8th and Coatesville had another 10" the day before -- ANOTHER inflated storm total -- I love it, more ammo for me!!!

This is like Mike Tyson beating down some punk kid from the street LOL!!

WCFeb1895.pdf

CoatesilleFeb1895.pdf

 

[LVwxHistorian]

And here's West Chester's April 1895 since you seem to be too lazy to go NCEI -- simply rewriting precip. more legibly in snowfall column

WCApril1895.pdf

[ChescoWx]

4 hours ago, LVwxHistorian said:

Let me repeat:  there was no snowfall anywhere in the region in April 1895!  None anywhere 

And your data for Feb 8, 1895 is incorrect: they both had 10 inches on the 8th and Coatesville had another 10" the day before -- ANOTHER inflated storm total -- I love it, more ammo for me!!!

This is like Mike Tyson beating down some punk kid from the street LOL!!

WCFeb1895.pdf 797.03 kB · 1 download

CoatesilleFeb1895.pdf 932.92 kB · 0 downloads

 

LOL except your every snow total inflation story for Coatesville....kind of fell apart like 70 times!!

[LVwxHistorian]

But most of your initial data is absolutely wrong!! 

And even when WC got more than Coatesville, it's just a little more -- which has been my point all along -- the differences should be negligible, which you so aptly proved for me -- Thank you!!!!

[LVwxHistorian]

And of course most of these are multi-day storms, like Feb 1903 when they both got 10 inches total.  I like my chances with NCEI more and more every day!

[The Iceman]

[ChescoWx]

2 minutes ago, The Iceman said:

Indeed!! you can't change history....but in our current cancel culture - sadly they may indeed cancel history if it does not meet the narrative....strange times we live in....enough of that crap - now back to the weather!!

[ChescoWx]

Hey LVwxHist guy - to help get you back on track away from this strange historical snow witch hunt....since you are the LV wx guy - post some actual stats for the Lehigh Valley and we can see how different the weather is from there vs. Chester County PA. For starts why don't you post the top 20 snowstorms for the LV and we can compare and contrast against all of the Chesco sites - thanks!!

[LVwxHistorian]

37 minutes ago, The Iceman said:

You and Newman may not care, but the people who keep track of these records (i.e NCEI) care very much, as do I.

[LVwxHistorian]

31 minutes ago, ChescoWx said:

Hey LVwxHist guy - to help get you back on track away from this strange historical snow witch hunt....since you are the LV wx guy - post some actual stats for the Lehigh Valley and we can see how different the weather is from there vs. Chester County PA. For starts why don't you post the top 20 snowstorms for the LV and we can compare and contrast against all of the Chesco sites - thanks!!

I may do that, though a comparison with Chesco is not all that important -- the Lehigh Valley has a first order station and is much more important historically, economically and in most other ways than chester county backcountry with your incompetent old weather observers, LOL.

[Newman]

16 minutes ago, LVwxHistorian said:

You and Newman may not care, but the people who keep track of these records (i.e NCEI) care very much, as do I.

Who called my name

[ChescoWx]

Below are the Top 10 snowstorms and the location that reported the snow totals across all National Weather Service Cooperative (COOP) locations in Chester County PA since record keeping began back in 1893

[MGorse]

A fascinating thread. 

[KamuSnow]

12 minutes ago, Newman said:

Who called my name

Did you know that you don't care?

[KamuSnow]

14 minutes ago, Newman said:

Who called my name

Your avatar does bear some resemblance to the guy in the meme, lol.

[LVwxHistorian]

29 minutes ago, Newman said:

Who called my name

LOL

[LVwxHistorian]

2 hours ago, ChescoWx said:

Below are the Top 10 snowstorms and the location that reported the snow totals across all National Weather Service Cooperative (COOP) locations in Chester County PA since record keeping began back in 1893

I won't even respond till you get rid of 1, 3, 7 and 8

 

[Hurricane Agnes]

6 hours ago, Newman said:

Who called my name

He mistakenly mixed you up with Dennis Nedry -

But then all the Wayne Knights look alike so....

[ChescoWx]

8 hours ago, LVwxHistorian said:

I won't even respond till you get rid of 1, 3, 7 and 8

 

Can't delete factual history that has been in existence for over 100 years because you dislike the facts.....just sayin

[LVwxHistorian]

8 hours ago, ChescoWx said:

Can't delete factual history that has been in existence for over 100 years because you dislike the facts.....just sayin

It isn't whether I like or dislike it -- I already said that I don't have a personal vendetta or stake in this, it's just when I see something so outlandish, I feel compelled to speak up.

I would accept if I'm proven wrong, but nothing you've presented so far has done that, and in fact some of it has bolstered my position!

Did you find any other station with any snow at all in April 1895?  (Here's a hint: You won't). 

 And if you got tabulated data for West Chester for April 1895 showing over 20" (or any amount for that matter) from NCDC, then it just shows the quality control that they've been doing so far:  they just accept completely incorrect data just like you do.

It's hard to believe that you just believe it without simply checking other stations. That's how you validate this stuff, looking at other stations and newspapers - the only 2 ways I know!!

It's not difficult for me so i can't understand why it's so hard for ya'll!!!

[ChescoWx]

18 hours ago, LVwxHistorian said:

It isn't whether I like or dislike it -- I already said that I don't have a personal vendetta or stake in this, it's just when I see something so outlandish, I feel compelled to speak up.

I would accept if I'm proven wrong, but nothing you've presented so far has done that, and in fact some of it has bolstered my position!

Did you find any other station with any snow at all in April 1895?  (Here's a hint: You won't). 

 And if you got tabulated data for West Chester for April 1895 showing over 20" (or any amount for that matter) from NCDC, then it just shows the quality control that they've been doing so far:  they just accept completely incorrect data just like you do.

It's hard to believe that you just believe it without simply checking other stations. That's how you validate this stuff, looking at other stations and newspapers - the only 2 ways I know!!

It's not difficult for me so i can't understand why it's so hard for ya'll!!!

Yep it looks like the NCDC has faulty data for West Chester for April 1895. See below - it looks like they simply calculated all falling precipitation as snow and of course no other station in the county reported any snow that month.