weatherwiz Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: Just awful. Forecast called for chances of Tor. Did they get the area correct? Yes. The event and it's potential were very well forecast! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 I can't get over 500 m2/s2 of effective helicity juxtaposed with >1500 J/KG of MLCAPE and >100 J of 3km CAPE...it just seems unreal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 44 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: I can't get over 500 m2/s2 of effective helicity juxtaposed with >1500 J/KG of MLCAPE and >100 J of 3km CAPE...it just seems unreal Insane environment. So tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianW Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 The damage to that Amazon warehouse is incredible. Just the roof posts left. I did see a tweet from a picture from someone inside and it looked like they had tornado shelters in the warehouse. Hopefully a lot of people made it in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Just insane 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxFreak11 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 That kind of damage reminds me of Joplin. So tragic and sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Man that tornado stuff is so tragic. The power and destruction is hard to fathom. On a lighter note, I like this CHP graphic showing snowfall accumulations in the Sierra. Cool way to show it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 Similar to Greensburg, KS 2007 as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Ginx snewx said: Totally has that Joplin look With some flavor of ORH, where the thick masonry buildings at Assumption College took heavy damage. The degree of damage is catastrophic, at least EF-4, and the areal extent is historic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 Over 70 dead in Kentucky. Possibly will go much higher. Deadliest year for tornadoes since 2011 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Man that tornado stuff is so tragic. The power and destruction is hard to fathom. On a lighter note, I like this CHP graphic showing snowfall accumulations in the Sierra. Cool way to show it. 60-80" would be niceSent from my SM-G981U1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 I can't get over 500 m2/s2 of effective helicity juxtaposed with >1500 J/KG of MLCAPE and >100 J of 3km CAPE...it just seems unreal Translation for the non met?Sent from my SM-G981U1 using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, Lava Rock said: Translation for the non met? Sent from my SM-G981U1 using Tapatalk Buoyant and spinny. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 3 hours ago, HoarfrostHubb said: Over 70 dead in Kentucky. Possibly will go much higher. Deadliest year for tornadoes since 2011 I don't see many hyperventilating about the violent tornado drought anymore. I'm 100% okay with not issuing nocturnal tornado warnings as part of a routine job duty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: I don't see many hyperventilating about the violent tornado drought anymore. I'm 100% okay with not issuing nocturnal tornado warnings as part of a routine job duty. Heartwrenching brutality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 5 hours ago, weatherwiz said: I can't get over 500 m2/s2 of effective helicity juxtaposed with >1500 J/KG of MLCAPE and >100 J of 3km CAPE...it just seems unreal Well you kind of did on 6/1/11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: Heartwrenching brutality They sent out info to the NWS on crisis counselors, and I get it. When you're in it and issuing warnings there can be a video game aspect where it's not real. Until your shift is over and you see what happened on the ground. It's jarring. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 2 hours ago, OceanStWx said: Well you kind of did on 6/1/11 I was selling hot dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisrotary12 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 10 hours ago, Pluffmud said: So horrible that with all our technology available to us that lives are still in danger. The candle factory was operating at the time of the storm with 110 people in there. Why? Wasn’t there warnings issued about the TDS? Just so sad. American greed. Working 24/7 to boost production ahead of holidays. 2 3 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Friend and coworker on the KY/IN border has tons of pics of people’s families, baseball cards etc on his property. Trying to get in touch with owners if possible. Some of the pics are of little kids. It’s awful. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Could it be an EF6? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 7 hours ago, powderfreak said: Man that tornado stuff is so tragic. The power and destruction is hard to fathom. On a lighter note, I like this CHP graphic showing snowfall accumulations in the Sierra. Cool way to show it. imagine going from 0 to 18" in just over 1k feet? amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Chrisrotary12 said: American greed. Working 24/7 to boost production ahead of holidays. What a dumb post 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalpoleJoe Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, MaineJayhawk said: What a dumb post I have to agree. Chris gets a mulligan on that, people died, that is the story, We dont need to cast blame, humans really aren't in control, despite the fact we think we are. Bless their families. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 The South of the North fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 15 hours ago, Chrisrotary12 said: American greed. Working 24/7 to boost production ahead of holidays. Geezus . I mean WTF. People providing for their families is now greed. GTFOH 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisrotary12 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 13 hours ago, MaineJayhawk said: What a dumb post 12 hours ago, WalpoleJoe said: I have to agree. Chris gets a mulligan on that, people died, that is the story, We dont need to cast blame, humans really aren't in control, despite the fact we think we are. Bless their families. 56 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: Geezus . I mean WTF. People providing for their families is now greed. GTFOH It is incredibly tragic what happened and I am beyond saddened by the loss of life. WalpoleJoe is correct. Even with all of our advancements in technology and science, we are just dust on the wind in the grand scheme of things. The original question was "why were they operating?". I had read that the facility had recently switched to operating 24/7 in an effort to boost production ahead of the holidays. I imagine like most businesses, this one had a quota it was driven to achieve, and despite the warnings, perhaps many felt it was worth the risk to make quota. Or perhaps the building didn't have a storm shelter. Maybe "it can't happen to me" syndrome was present. Who knows at this point? Admittedly, I have a growing frustration with what the holidays have come to represent in our society which was the impetus for the "American Greed" comment. I'm sorry if you are offended. I am frustrated that we as a society now think that the holiday season is now about wealth, objects, and presents. If we as a society would remember what the holidays were originally meant to be about; love, family, and remembrance of whichever religious deity we follow, perhaps the tragedy could have been avoided (at least at the facility). Our opinions on this tragedy or of each other won't change what happens. All we can do know is pray that those suffering are comforted. If you believe in God, the bible tells us that he is a God of comfort. So pray that the families and friends of those lost will be comforted through their suffering. I hope that you all have a lovely holiday season and find time to unwind and be in the presence of loved ones and friends. I also hope that we get a blizzard some time soon. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Seems like almost everyone is sick with something right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 27 minutes ago, PhineasC said: Seems like almost everyone is sick with something right now. On the positive side, it takes a relatively comfortable and advanced society to get to this point… where people become comfortable and free enough to voice opinions on every possible topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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