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E PA/NJ/ DE Winter 2021-22 OBS Thread


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2 hours ago, RedSky said:

^ East based NAO retreating arctic high and low in the lakes ECM long range not the Christmas miracle your looking for.

 

JMA on board as well...a bit faster tho. Over a week out, but a decent signal at this range for something to track. Few timing changes and an op bomb away from the board coming to life.

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Eta: seriously tho @RedSky, how can u write this off already? Or r u just trying to open discussion? Genuinely curious.

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2 hours ago, Ralph Wiggum said:

JMA on board as well...a bit faster tho. Over a week out, but a decent signal at this range for something to track. Few timing changes and an op bomb away from the board coming to life.

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Eta: seriously tho @RedSky, how can u write this off already? Or r u just trying to open discussion? Genuinely curious.

Feels too rushed a reversal from the Pacific dominated pattern to get significant snow. If the blocking is real I would guess closer to New Years.

 

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6 minutes ago, RedSky said:

Feels too rushed a reversal from the Pacific dominated pattern to get significant snow. If the blocking is real I would guess closer to New Years.

 

Yes that event on the 20-21 has some front end potential, but besides that I think it's a better setup for NNE.  50/50 doesn't seem to be in perfect position...I think we'll get a storm in 1-10th time frame as long as we don't get some insane -PNA on roids

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All major global models on board still for a trackable event centered around the 22nd. Doesn't look like a blockbuster but a small window is there to give parts of the region some snow. Originally posted back in mid Nov that around Jan 4 would be the first respectable event of the season. Perhaps things are being rushed to the pattern change/MJO phase transition? Keeping a close eye on it for now. CMC/JMA most aggressive followed by GFS and Euro. 

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42 minutes ago, Ralph Wiggum said:

All major global models on board still for a trackable event centered around the 22nd. Doesn't look like a blockbuster but a small window is there to give parts of the region some snow. Originally posted back in mid Nov that around Jan 4 would be the first respectable event of the season. Perhaps things are being rushed to the pattern change/MJO phase transition? Keeping a close eye on it for now. CMC/JMA most aggressive followed by GFS and Euro. 

Euro stalls out in 7 and gfs moves along into 8. Something to consider.

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20-21st seems more like a N and W event imo. Looks like a classic rain along 95 with snow in upper bucks/lehigh. No high to keep the cold air in place along the coastal plain. But if the long range looks verify, late dec/early jan should be VERY fun. I know this is an OP look, but this is a great pattern even though we may be risking suppression. Obviously would like to see the ridge in the west pop a bit more but that is a strong -EPO/-AO/-NAO look. Has some ensemble support too but the ensembles still hold on to the -PNA which throws a wrench in things but would still be more white than wet. 

 

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2 minutes ago, The Iceman said:

20-21st seems more like a N and W event imo. Looks like a classic rain along 95 with snow in upper bucks/lehigh. No high to keep the cold air in place along the coastal plain. But if the long range looks verify, late dec/early jan should be VERY fun. I know this is an OP look, but this is a great pattern even though we may be risking suppression. Obviously would like to see the ridge in the west pop a bit more but that is a strong -EPO/-AO/-NAO look. Has some ensemble support too but the ensembles still hold on to the -PNA which throws a wrench in things but would still be more white than wet. 

 

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Seeing Alaska like that is great 

You would need the PNA to be negative if the NAO is also negative and AO also. You don't want suppression. 

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1 hour ago, MJO812 said:

Eps has a coastal signal

Not sure this will get it done. Oddly enough the EPS kill the GLL and focus (weakly) on the progressive coastal low where other guidance is trying to anchor a low in the GL region. Still some time for changes and the signal is still there but the window remains small and the signal remains weak. 

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11 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Philly also gets crushed

Meso banding...wouldnt bet my house on that verifying 144+ hours out let alone 24 hrs. Overall this is depicting a N and W or even central PA hit. Ocean temps off of NJ above normal. Coastal plain to fall line at least would have issues based on that. But alas, just another solution about a week out still.

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1 hour ago, Ralph Wiggum said:

Looks like the system for early next week fell victim to the Nina. Fell apart on the ens and streams stay separate, no phase...Southern wave slides out to sea.

However, several of the EPS members are showing a Christmas Eve miracle setup. So there's that.

Sad we're looking 10+ days for a miracle setup....

Rain to some snow (flakes) Sat as cold air rushes in?

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