SnoSki14 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, forkyfork said: yeah the temp never rises after 12:50 Very little this time of year unless there's strong advection present. Higjest I see is 65 in southern/eastern NJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Miller A look if the PNA was more positive day 5 on Euro. Blocking is present. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadInTheClouds Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 63 today, expecting a mix up here on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, BxEngine said: Thanks for posting these bluewave. Thought maybe with the updated info his tweets would suddenly stop appearing 5 times a day. No problem. Allan does a great job with his custom MJO composites. Even if 50% of that 500 mb pattern verified in January, it would probably be 100% better than this month so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Latest invocation of the GFS. Comes with 10" of Snow Bonus around the +/- 28th. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee59 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 62 the high here. Gfs has a low southeast of the area with cold air to the NW just before Christmas. Doesn't mean much this far out but grasping at straws is all there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 It looks like the extended EPS moved toward the JMA in early January. It now tries to build a ridge near California. This is a big shift from the run a few days ago. It may be correcting to more of a MJO 7 +AAM look. The model could continue playing catch up like it recently did with the -NAO. So future runs could show further corrections. New run Jan 3-10 Old run 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 62 here today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, bluewave said: It looks like the extended EPS moved toward the JMA in early January. It now tries to build a ridge near California. This is a big shift from the run a few days ago. It may be correcting to more of a MJO 7 +AAM look. The model could continue playing catch up like it recently did with the -NAO. So future runs could show further corrections. New run Jan 3-10 Old run Any +PNA (if it even happens) will be transient IMO. There is zero support for anything other than transient +PNA this winter, BUT….when and if one pops, that’s the time for an east-coast snowstorm. We watch…. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Today & tomorrow will be the warmest days for a while. EPS is looking better. Improvements out west for sure, hopefully that trend continues. We're a couple positive trends away from taking the 22nd system more seriously. That's a really nice Greenland block on the EPS and the big trough out west has been shifting further offshore. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 can't deny the trends but it takes time to get a storm after a hostile pattern. boxing day happened after weeks of blocking 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, snowman19 said: Any +PNA (if it even happens) will be transient IMO. There is zero support for anything other than transient +PNA this winter, BUT….when and if one pops, that’s the time for an east-coast snowstorm. We watch…. If the changes we are seeing turn out to be MJO driven, then the effects may only last until this MJO wave weakens. All these extended model runs are only a snapshot of what early January may look like. We can’t really extrapolate the whole month from the first 10 days. It’s nearly impossible to make a long range forecast based on another long range forecast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Smith Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 So far LGA has broken their record (63F) and EWR tied theirs (65F). NYC at 62F within one, and has set a new high minimum of 54F. JFK and ISP with more marine influence are at 61 and 59 so far. It looks to stay quite mild to midnight or beyond so the NYC max record may still occur with the 62F of 2000 for 17th also not out of reach yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderbolt Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 7 hours ago, snowman19 said: Wasn’t the JMA showing a very cold December with a big trough over the east at the end of last month? https://twitter.com/BenNollWeather/status/1468940494818344960/photo/1 It doesn’t look like it to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Smith Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 You may have noticed this also, a lot of winter month maximum records occur at night, quite often you can spot them in the data because two consecutive days will have very similar mild maximum values. This may be even more frequent further north, it is conspicuous in the Toronto data for example, and when I ran my own weather station as a student (1960s and early 70s) I saw a few of these happen. If you look at the records for Dec 31 1965 and Jan 1 1966 you'll notice they are similar and those happened late in the evening to early morning hours. I happened to be in NJ that holiday visiting relatives so I remember the occasion. Back home the high on the 31st was in the late afternoon according to the friend who read my instruments, and the temperature fell off after that. There are even a few occasions with three consecutive days of record highs and a fairly steady temperature in the middle of those three days, so two midnight warm readings in succession. The reason for this phenomenon may be the distance between the source region (Gulf of Mexico) and the east coast or lower Great Lakes, meaning that if there's a strong pull on the Gulf like there was early yesterday, then about 36 hours later that pulse crosses the northeastern states. Once you get into any modest solar heating like later February, this phenomenon fades out, and you only find it starting in late November also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 48 minutes ago, forkyfork said: can't deny the trends but it takes time to get a storm after a hostile pattern. boxing day happened after weeks of blocking Yeah I'd be surprised if it pulled it off so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternLI Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Just starting to nudge into phase 8 now at the end of the ensembles. Barely. Makes sense that those changes starting at the end would be related. The hope is for continuing propagation to be advertised. Along with continuing improvement to the pattern. I'm not going to worry about a pattern change after the pattern change that hasn't even set up completely yet. We'll cross that bridge when we can see it in the distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Under partly sunny skies, temperatures soared into the 50s and 60s across the region. Numerous records were shattered or tied in parts of the Northeast and southern Canada. Records included: Albany: 61° (old record: 55°, 1971) Allentown: 61° (old record: 60°, 1971) Binghamton: 60° (old record: 54°, 1971) Buffalo: 64° (tied record set in 1984) Burlington: 58° (old record: 54°, 1982) Grand Rapids, MI: 63° (old record: 61°, 1984) Green Bay: 65° (old record: 54°, 1984) ***new December record*** Harrisburg: 66° (old record: 63°, 1971) Hartford: 63° (old record: 60°, 1971) Lansing: 63° (old record: 60°, 1971) Madison: 63° (old record: 57°, 1959) Manchester, NH: 56° (old record: 54°, 2008) Milwaukee: 68° (old record: 58°, 1984) ***new December record*** Montreal: 59° (old record: 50°, 1992) Mount Pocono, PA: 60° (old record: 56°, 1906) New York City-LGA: 63° (old record: 62°, 1971) Newark: 65° (tied record set in 1971) Ottawa: 59° (old record: 45°, 1984) Pittsburgh: 64° (tied record set in 1940) Poughkeepsie: 64° (old record: 59°, 1971) Providence: 65° (old record: 62°, 1971) Rochester: 65° (old record: 62°, 1894) Rockford, IL: 68° (old record: 58°, 1984) Scranton: 65° (old record: 57°, 1971) Syracuse: 67° (old record: 55°, 1971) Toronto: 63° (old record: 60°, 1984) Watertown, NY: 63° (old record: 54°, 1971) Williamsport, PA: 60° (old record: 58°, 1971) Worcester: 58° (tied record set in 1971) Tomorrow will be another very mild day. However, colder air will begin to return to the region this weekend. Early next week could briefly see the coldest temperatures so far this season before some moderation again sets in. There is growing model consensus that the final week of December could see temperatures shift below normal as the AO goes negative. Afterward, if the small sample of cases where the MJO moved into Phase 7 at a high amplitude (1.75 or above) during the December 10-20 period, as occurred this month, is representative, the first 10 days of January could see below to perhaps much below normal temperatures. Both the magnitude and duration of the cold is uncertain. In the Midwest, Chicago has yet to receive its first measurable snowfall through December 15. Only two prior years saw their first measurable snowfall on December 15 or later: 1. December 20, 2012 2. December 16, 1965 Following very wet July-September periods, winter (December-February) precipitation has typically been near or below normal. The most recent exception was winter 2018-19. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -1.4°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -1.1°C for the week centered around December 8. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -1.00°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.92°C. La Niña conditions will likely persist into at least late winter. The SOI was +17.23 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) figure was +1.253 today. On December 14 the MJO was in Phase 6 at an amplitude of 2.035 (RMM). The December 13-adjusted amplitude was 2.223 (RMM). Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 86% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal December (1991-2020 normal). December will likely finish with a mean temperature near 42.2° (3.1° above normal). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdrag Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Depending on future modeling I may begin an OBS-NOWCAST thread for I80 north Friday evening: for a little mixed freezing precip starting Saturday morning trending to freezing rain high terrain north of I84. Maybe extreme n CT gets lucky and picks up an inch or 2 of snow-sleet Saturday, but I 84 itself should be 1/2" or less of any frozen, even if it ends as light snow Sunday morning. If the models drop extreme nw NJ and even LI from the icing mix at the start, then I'll refrain from a thread and all the obs can be tucked into the nw suburbs. Just a late start to winter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Syracuse just had their 2nd warmest December day on record between the 16th and 31st. Only 1° behind 2015. Three of the top five warmest readings occurred since 2015 RECORD EVENT REPORT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BINGHAMTON, NY 519 PM EST THU DEC 16 2021 ...RECORD DAILY HIGH TEMPERATURE SET AT SYRACUSE NY... A RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 67 WAS SET AT THE SYRACUSE HANCOCK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT NEAR MATTYDALE NY TODAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD FOR DECEMBER 16TH OF 55 SET IN 1971. Time Series Summary for SYRACUSE HANCOCK INTL AP, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Highest Max Temperature Dec 16 to Dec 31 Missing Count 1 2015-12-31 68 0 2 2021-12-31 67 0 3 1949-1957 66 0 4 2018-12-31 65 0 - 1984-12-31 65 0 5 1964-12-31 64 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qg_omega Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, bluewave said: If the changes we are seeing turn out to be MJO driven, then the effects may only last until this MJO wave weakens. All these extended model runs are only a snapshot of what early January may look like. We can’t really extrapolate the whole month from the first 10 days. It’s nearly impossible to make a long range forecast based on another long range forecast. MJO looks to die before making P8, any Positive PNA won’t last long 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternLI Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 I'm not seeing that. Not at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 32 minutes ago, qg_omega said: MJO looks to die before making P8, any Positive PNA won’t last long MJO 7 is still okay though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 38 minutes ago, qg_omega said: MJO looks to die before making P8, any Positive PNA won’t last long I'm not seeing that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leo2000 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 3 hours ago, snowman19 said: Any +PNA (if it even happens) will be transient IMO. There is zero support for anything other than transient +PNA this winter, BUT….when and if one pops, that’s the time for an east-coast snowstorm. We watch…. That depends on how long the MJO stays in phases 7 then to 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leo2000 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 40 minutes ago, qg_omega said: MJO looks to die before making P8, any Positive PNA won’t last long I guess you haven't seen this tweet. The models continue to show the MJO moving slowly through phase 7 over the next 2 weeks. It would likely not reach p8 till early January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 SANTA TO DELIVER SPF-30's AND BATHING SUIT's TO DALLAS: MORE SANTA LIKE: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qg_omega Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, leo2000 said: I guess you haven't seen this tweet. The models continue to show the MJO moving slowly through phase 7 over the next 2 weeks. It would likely not reach p8 till early January. Likely will never make it, will go into COD before P8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyrangers1022 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, CIK62 said: SANTA TO DELIVER SPF-30's AND BATHING SUIT's TO DALLAS: I wish that was here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Don't give up on the chance of a White Christmas around here this could look alot more wintry then shown here because the models are still adjusting to the real pattern developing..... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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