LibertyBell Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said: Speaking of Denver, Denver is currently experiencing its 2nd longest spans between last snowfall of the season and first snowfall of the season. As of today the span is 230 days and counting. No snow has fallen as of 12/7. This adds on to the latest snowfall on record. The previous record 11/21/1934. Three of the latest snowfalls on record have come within the last 11 years including 11/17/2016 and 11/15/2010. How many more days does it have to go snowless before it sets the new record? and I assume theyve had a trace, so this is for measurable snowfall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: How many more days does it have to go snowless before it sets the new record? and I assume theyve had a trace, so this is for measurable snowfall? The longest stretch between measurable snowfalls is 232 days. Measurable snowfall is likely very late Thursday or on Friday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: How many more days does it have to go snowless before it sets the new record? and I assume theyve had a trace, so this is for measurable snowfall? Yes measurable snow(.1 or above) Six more days to tie the record. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, donsutherland1 said: The longest stretch between measurable snowfalls is 232 days. Measurable snowfall is likely very late Thursday or on Friday. Don according to NWS Boulder/Denver the record is 235 days set way back in 1887....3/5/1887-10/25/1887. Denver is close to setting a new record but like the Broncos they may fumble at the goal line... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: But just look at this pattern of awesome that repeats every 10 years lol. 2021-22 2011-12 2001-01 1991-92 1981-82 If my memory is serving me well 71-72 would also fit with those years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said: Don according to NWS Boulder/Denver the record is 235 days set way back in 1887....3/5/1887-10/25/1887. Denver is close to setting a new record but like the Broncos they may fumble at the goal line... That seems to be an error. The daily data shows 0.1” on March 4, 1887 and 0.3” on October 23, 1887. That is 232 days without measurable snowfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, donsutherland1 said: That seems to be an error. The daily data shows 0.1” on March 4, 1887 and 0.3” on October 23, 1887. That is 232 days without measurable snowfall. Don, Check this out https://www.weather.gov/bou/DenverSnowLessStreaks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, snowman19 said: BAMWX is a joke, bipolar, first it was going to be a super cold December at the end of November, then it was coming mid-December, then they cancelled the whole month as a torch, now they’re hyping the end of the month. So now no matter what happens they can claim victory Considering the pattern(s) that has been in place for months I would be very leery of forecasting a significant pattern change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said: Don, Check this out https://www.weather.gov/bou/DenverSnowLessStreaks Yes, I am aware of it. However, Denver's media outlets have also gone with 232 days (which fits the daily data I noted). That's why I think the site is in error. One example: https://www.9news.com/article/weather/weather-colorado/203-days-no-snow-in-denver/73-5acd5882-1d50-4862-80fa-56b669f25343 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said: If my memory is serving me well 71-72 would also fit with those years. Yes, those were all bad years lol. I was thinking about 1999-00 too as a second year la nina, so that would work too, only thing is, wasn't there a snowstorm in January 2000? Was that a DC special? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, donsutherland1 said: Yes, I am aware of it. However, Denver's media outlets have also gone with 232 days (which fits the daily data I noted). That's why I think the site is in error. One example: https://www.9news.com/article/weather/weather-colorado/203-days-no-snow-in-denver/73-5acd5882-1d50-4862-80fa-56b669f25343 Certainly it may be an error. if it is 232 days then Denver may tie the record. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said: The longest stretch between measurable snowfalls is 232 days. Measurable snowfall is likely very late Thursday or on Friday. So if it's 232 days a new record is very likely to be set but if it's 235 it's not? It's like a field goal that will either barely make it or hit the goal post and clunk out lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, LibertyBell said: Yes, those were all bad years lol. I was thinking about 1999-00 too as a second year la nina, so that would work too, only thing is, wasn't there a snowstorm in January 2000? Was that a DC special? I recall there being a snowstorms in Jan or perhaps Feb of 00. At the time my mom was in a hospital in Boston and it was the only day that I was unable to visit her. I would have to check my weather log books for details. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: So if it's 232 days a new record is very likely to be set but if it's 235 it's not? It's like a field goal that will either barely make it or hit the goal post and clunk out lol Buffalo Bills? lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, Great Snow 1717 said: I recall there being a snowstorms in Jan or perhaps Feb of 00. At the time my mom was in a hospital in Boston and it was the only day that I was unable to visit her. I would have to check my weather log books for details. Jan 25 2000. Surprise storm that wasn't predicted until the day before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Definitely changes in the epo coming around the 20th. It will take some time for it to cool down here, especially with the Uber -pna. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Yes, those were all bad years lol. I was thinking about 1999-00 too as a second year la nina, so that would work too, only thing is, wasn't there a snowstorm in January 2000? Was that a DC special? The Carolina crusher. Raleigh got 20" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_other_guy Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 34 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said: Considering the pattern(s) that has been in place for months I would be very leery of forecasting a significant pattern change. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, jfklganyc said: Exactly Alot of people are setting themselves up for disappointment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, jfklganyc said: Exactly At this point I would gladly settle for a "normal" winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Stormlover74 said: Alot of people are setting themselves up for disappointment I've mentioned that before only to be attacked for expressing an opposing view. People just have to accept that not every winter is going to be cold and snowy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Definitely changes in the epo coming around the 20th. It will take some time for it to cool down here, especially with the Uber -pna. Assuming the -EPO develops around the 20th and doesn’t move forward in time, there will be a lag, so with that lag factored in, the effects probably wouldn’t be felt until the beginning of January. Also, like you said, people need to keep in mind that even though the EPO changes, we are still going to have a super negative PNA, +AO, +NAO, a strong SPV and a beefed up SE ridge to deal with. We aren’t going to plunge into an arctic tundra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, snowman19 said: Assuming the -EPO develops around the 20th and doesn’t move forward in time, there will be a lag, so with that lag factored in, the effects probably wouldn’t be felt until the beginning of January. Also, like you said, people need to keep in mind that even though the EPO changes, we are still going to have a super negative PNA, +AO, +NAO, a strong SPV and a beefed up SE ridge to deal with. We aren’t going to plunge into an arctic tundra Nothng to be concerned with besides those...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Maybe the extreme marine heatwave during the summer near Japan was a precursor to the record fall into winter NEPAC vortex and supercharged Pacific Jet? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyrangers1022 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 I laugh at the local Town Facebook pages of all the Karen's complaining about losing power in storms. I'm sure them living on a mountain surrounded by trees that hang near powerlines have nothing to do with it. Tell them all trees should be cut in a 50 foot radius and they throw their hands in the air saying we can't kill the trees either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 well yeah, clear cutting isn't good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Great Snow 1717 said: Don, Check this out https://www.weather.gov/bou/DenverSnowLessStreaks FYI, the NWS is looking into the difference. As soon as I learn more, I will post the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, donsutherland1 said: FYI, the NWS is looking into the difference. As soon as I learn more, I will post the outcome. Did you contact their office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said: Did you contact their office? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, donsutherland1 said: Yes. they may be thinking "those winter enthusiasts on the east coast have a lot of time on their hands" lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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