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Upstate/Eastern New York-Into Winter!


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3 minutes ago, wolfie09 said:

Obviously I have mentioned that they "low ball" the small amounts.. This was called a trace.. Obviously not a big snowfall but also not a trace lol But those are the"official" numbers .

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The official observers near me do the same thing. They also miss some days measuring in a winter with lots of snowfalls. I keep a running total in my signature to get a more accurate total.

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Just now, wolfie09 said:

Obviously I have mention they "low ball" the small amounts.. This was called a trace.. Obviously not a big snowfall but also not a trace lol But those are the"official" numbers .

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Exactly. That's what I'm saying. I know you have posted pics already this year with well over a trace of snowfall. What you have seen is more than a whole bunch of others on here this season. That looks like 1.5 to 2 inches of snowfall just in that pic.

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1 hour ago, wolfie09 said:

Obviously I have mentioned that they "low ball" the small amounts.. This was called a trace.. Obviously not a big snowfall but also not a trace lol But those are the"official" numbers .

 

Noticed this with Lowville station too. They have like 1.5 to date right now. I've been here since before Thanksgviing and on my snowboard i've measured 5.9 so far. This is what I have

11/15- .8

11/19 .3

11/22 .5

11/26 1

11/28-29 1.7

11/29-30 .8

12/4 -.8

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Gotta say I’m pleasantly surprised this morning with the end of the runs from the GFS 00z and 06z…both strongly show a switch to what appears colder air as we head towards Christmas week. In fact, and yes I get it’s a shit ton of hours out, but you see a low near the desert SW that begins to head northeast. This track is more typical of what we would see in a Nina and one that can usually give our CWA a good snowstorm. It also doesn’t hurt the MJO is rounding the bend towards 7-8by that time so this is definitely something to watch

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1 hour ago, Thinksnow18 said:

Gotta say I’m pleasantly surprised this morning with the end of the runs from the GFS 00z and 06z…both strongly show a switch to what appears colder air as we head towards Christmas week. In fact, and yes I get it’s a shit ton of hours out, but you see a low near the desert SW that begins to head northeast. This track is more typical of what we would see in a Nina and one that can usually give our CWA a good snowstorm. It also doesn’t hurt the MJO is rounding the bend towards 7-8by that time so this is definitely something to watch

And the warmth appears more transient. Obviously, we’re in for a couple rough weeks. But maybe not as rough as first thought? 
BTW: the short term lake effect looks like more of a Pulaski/ Tug event- as we both expected. Good luck Wolfie! 

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17 minutes ago, rochesterdave said:

And the warmth appears more transient. Obviously, we’re in for a couple rough weeks. But maybe not as rough as first thought? 
BTW: the short term lake effect looks like more of a Pulaski/ Tug event- as we both expected. Good luck Wolfie! 

Yes it does appear more up and down, not a straight torch for the next ten days. 

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34 minutes ago, rochesterdave said:

And the warmth appears more transient. Obviously, we’re in for a couple rough weeks. But maybe not as rough as first thought? 
BTW: the short term lake effect looks like more of a Pulaski/ Tug event- as we both expected. Good luck Wolfie! 

Most recent short term runs seem to suggest maybe more oscillating bands spreading the wealth for this area. Rap is farther south as well. We shall see.

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55 MPH was highest gust so far, Hamburg reporting 51 must have been the one I had last night. 
...New York...

...Allegany County...
Alfred                       45 MPH    0805 PM 12/05   CWOP
Wellsville Airport           40 MPH    1020 PM 12/05   ASOS

...Cattaraugus County...
Delevan                      46 MPH    1025 PM 12/05   NYSM
Olean                        40 MPH    1035 PM 12/05   NYSM

...Chautauqua County...
Fredonia                     55 MPH    1130 PM 12/05   NYSM
Dunkirk Airport              53 MPH    1153 PM 12/05   ASOS
Forestville                  47 MPH    1238 AM 12/06   CWOP

...Erie County...
Blasdell                     53 MPH    0145 AM 12/06   CWOP
Hamburg                      51 MPH    0156 AM 12/06   WXFLOW
East Aurora                  45 MPH    1215 AM 12/06   NYSM
Buffalo Airport              44 MPH    0213 AM 12/06   ASOS
Brant                        41 MPH    1205 AM 12/06   NYSM

...Jefferson County...
Tylersville                  43 MPH    0316 AM 12/06   CWOP

...Lewis County...
Harrisburg                   43 MPH    0305 AM 12/06   NYSM

...Livingston County...
Dansville Airport            43 MPH    1010 PM 12/05   ASOS

...Niagara County...
Pendleton                    41 MPH    0232 AM 12/06   CWOP

...Ontario County...
South Bristol                54 MPH    0830 PM 12/05   NYSM
Clifton Springs              41 MPH    1115 PM 12/05   NYSM
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It definitely will be cold enough to keep any lake effect snows
going with H850 temperatures down in the -12C/-13C range Tuesday
morning. However, there is concern with residence time in any given
location and also how intense will the lake effect snow be as drier
air works in across the Lower Lakes from the west.

Off lake Erie, lake effect snows will likely be muted the most due
to the shorter fetch (mean 270-280 flow) and the above mentioned
drier air working in from the west Tuesday morning. Still could be
some minor accumulations (an inch or so) but for the most part not
expecting anything of significance through midday. Tuesday
afternoon/evening, a shortwave approaching from the west will back
flow to 250-260. Added moisture and now the longer fetch of the lake
coming into play may lead to a brief uptick in activity or a band
forming. If this comes to fruition, the band would impact N.
Chautauqua, S. Erie, and to a lesser extent western Wyoming county.
Could see some localized areas that potentially could receive 1 to 2
inch from the band as we head into and through the evening hours.

Off Lake Ontario, a bit of a different story will unfold with 270-
280 flow making good use of the longer fetch and upstream
connections. Still drier air working in will hinder lake snows
keeping them for the most part in check and below warning criteria.
Guidance suggest that there will be a LES band ESE of the Lake which
could produce several inches across far northern Cayuga and into
Oswego counties through midday Tuesday. Winds then quickly shift to
more of a 250-260 direction Tuesday afternoon. This will then shift
LES back north across the Tug Hill and the southern Half of
Jefferson County where a couple inches will be possible into Tuesday
evening. Due to residence time issues and the above mentioned
limitations have sided with a Winter Weather Advisory. Localized
snowfall totals of 4-8 inches seems reasonable in the most
persistent snows.
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4 minutes ago, Ericjcrash said:

No surprise IMO. I really don't know why the mid range always loses systems just to come back within 72-84

The NAM tends to be too far NW so I'm not sure if it'll be enough for us to get much. On Saturday, I called for 1 to 2 inches for mid week and am sticking to that call.

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