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Upstate/Eastern New York-Into Winter!


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38 minutes ago, rochesterdave said:

CSF weeklies are pretty much as bad as they come. Raging Pacific flat stream WITH a SE Ridge. Welcome back 20-21 winter. Hopefully we get a break in January because the rest of November and all of December look lost. But it’s the Long Range- they always suck. It was just a week ago that everyone was juiced (well, most everyone) for second half of November. image.thumb.png.6daa2f03a147587cbc6ee19ebc51fd3e.png

The one good thing is the CFS almost always show torch.... lol.... But does look much worse than what they were showing. I think winters are lost anymore. It's quite sad.

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Went back to look at the last 20 years from Dec-February in terms of temperature. You can see our snowfall is directly dependent on temperature (Makes sense). Out of the last 21 years we have had 4 below normal winters, 4 normal winters, and 13 above normal. We've had 6 straight above normal temp winters here in Upstate New York...

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December 2020 - February 2021 Statewide Average Temperature Ranks

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1 minute ago, TugHillMatt said:

Pretty easy to understand the winter frustration with 6 consecutive suck winters...

Some of the climate numbers are insane. Saw this posted in NYC forum. Its moving so rapidly the last 10 years its insane.

NYC average DJF 30 year  climate normals….

1991-2020….2020s….36.2

1981-2010…..2010s….35.1

1971-2000…..2000s…34.7

1961-1990…..1990s….33.9

At the current rate,  in 20 years NYC will have Winters closer to DC and Northern VA.  Average Temps will be 38-39 and snowfall will be about 15 inches. 

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11 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Some of the climate numbers are insane. Saw this posted in NYC forum. Its moving so rapidly the last 10 years its insane.

NYC average DJF 30 year  climate normals….

1991-2020….2020s….36.2

1981-2010…..2010s….35.1

1971-2000…..2000s…34.7

1961-1990…..1990s….33.9

At the current rate,  in 20 years NYC will have Winters closer to DC and Northern VA.  Average Temps will be 38-39 and snowfall will be about 15 inches. 

I wonder what the 10 year averages would be just for the past decade. It's probably even more pronounced.

I was just thinking yesterday how the winters here have been reminiscent of my childhood in SE Pennsylvania. It's so mild with snow melting quickly after falling. There's definitely "more snow" here than there, but it goes about as quickly as it did there.

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6 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said:

I wonder what the 10 year averages would be just for the past decade. It's probably even more pronounced.

I was just thinking yesterday how the winters here have been reminiscent of my childhood in SE Pennsylvania. It's so mild with snow melting quickly after falling. There's definitely "more snow" here than there, but it goes about as quickly as it did there.

2000-2010 was a great period of winters in Upstate, probably the best since the 1970s so I'd assume 2010-2020 would be quite a bit above normal

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2010-2020 was decent snow wise in pulaski but it's the"stinkers" we all remember lol The area had 3 years below 100° which averaged out to a whopping 70".. Now the other 7 years averaged out  to be 178", put them together and it's 140 something lol But the pulaski area only had 1 year in the 140s, it has either been over or way below..

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1 hour ago, BuffaloWeather said:

6 straight above normal temp winters, that has to be broken soon. If we get a warm December I don't see that happening.

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Ouch. That is ugly. What changed in the last 2 weeks? We all gotta move to Alaska. It used to be the Tug but now it’s Alaska. Lol. Whatcha ya gonna do? :thumbsdown:
Just walked around a xmas tree farm and was wishing for the white. We will have some, just gotta hold tight and endure the doom porn of the LR models for now. 

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5 minutes ago, rochesterdave said:

Ouch. That is ugly. What changed in the last 2 weeks? We all gotta move to Alaska. It used to be the Tug but now it’s Alaska. Lol. Whatcha ya gonna do? :thumbsdown:
Just walked around a xmas tree farm and was wishing for the white. We will have some, just gotta hold tight and endure the doom porn of the LR models for now. 

Nothing really changed, the last 2 weeks of November are going to be below average temp wise just bad luck and bad wind direction for majority here to be honest. Ski country across WNY and Tug will have 2 feet of snow in November which is above average. No synoptic threat to coincide with the cold air didn't help, just northern stream action. Northern stream action works in Jan/Feb not so much in mid November with climo.

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