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November 2021 General Discussion


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6 hours ago, OrdIowPitMsp said:

I’ll have whatever the GFS is serving.

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Lol. Interesting..............

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2 hours ago, A-L-E-K said:

cold air is coming starting next weekend, should get fun quick

the end of the euro...

Really, prefer the turn to winter to come last few days of November or early December. These early starts in November have spelled doom for the month of December and the Holiday season. I'll take the rapid flip to winter right around December 10th.

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Really, prefer the turn to winter to come last few days of November or early December. These early starts in November have spelled doom for the month of December and the Holiday season. I'll take the rapid flip to winter right around December 10th.

The early starts are in October (Think 2019), and this isn’t October anymore. Next weekend we’re in mid-November already.


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16 hours ago, OrdIowPitMsp said:

I’ll have whatever the GFS is serving.

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Here's Duluth's 2 day snow totals between Nov 1-15. The above event would be a rare one like the Halloween event of 1991 for early snow season.

32.6    1991-11-01    1991-11-02   
28.3    1991-10-31    1991-11-01    
13.9    1992-11-02    1992-11-03    
12.2    1956-11-14    1956-11-15    
11.9    1956-11-15    1956-11-16    
10.9    2010-11-13    2010-11-14   
9.8    2000-11-12    2000-11-13   
9.6    1992-11-01    1992-11-02   
8.8    1955-11-15    1955-11-16    
8.7    2020-11-14    2020-11-15    
8.6    1991-11-02    1991-11-03    
8.4    1919-11-05    1919-11-06    
8.2    1998-11-09    1998-11-10    
8.1    1993-11-04    1993-11-05    
8.0    2014-11-10    2014-11-11   

These are 1 day totals.

24.1    1991-11-01    1991-11-01   
11.1    1956-11-15    1956-11-15    
8.6    1992-11-02    1992-11-02    
8.5    1991-11-02    1991-11-02    
7.3    2020-11-10    2020-11-10    
7.2    1998-11-10    1998-11-10   
7.1    2010-11-13    2010-11-13    
6.7    2000-11-12    2000-11-12    
6.3    1993-11-04    1993-11-04    
6.1    2003-11-04    2003-11-04    
6.0    1920-11-08    1920-11-08    
5.5    1996-11-15    1996-11-15    
5.3    1936-11-06    1936-11-06    
5.3    1992-11-03    1992-11-03    
5.2    2020-11-15    2020-11-15    

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28 minutes ago, cyclone77 said:

Oak trees are sure slow to turn around here this year.  Many are still mostly green, and a lot of them that are turning are pretty dull looking.  

The new white oak is just barely starting to turn a bit.

 

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Drove over to Ann Arbor this pm, and only maybe 5 miles west you're in the country more or less. I was really surprised how all the color was already finished there and even the hardy oaks were mostly done or completely brown. That's the area that saw some 30's readings one cold morning way back in October. So far back I can't remember the date. Meanwhile, here in the cozy burbs, this past week-ish has seen a last minute peaking of color.

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Looking like another great day. Going to hit the arboretum for a run today. Fall color looks prime. The obsession on the sky cover needs to end:

'TODAY  
MOSTLY SUNNY EARLY IN THE MORNING THEN BECOMING PARTLY  
CLOUDY
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HIGHS IN THE MID 60S. SOUTHWEST WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH.    
TONIGHT  
CLEAR. LOWS IN THE MID 40S. SOUTH WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH.    
MONDAY  
MOSTLY SUNNY IN THE MORNING THEN BECOMING PARTLY  
CLOUDY.
HIGHS IN THE MID 60S. SOUTHWEST WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH.'

Let's just go  for "Fair and Mild for the season"..nit picky, but good luck trying to get the November sky cover call exactly correct. Noticed this was even worse during MCS season.

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3 hours ago, bowtie` said:

^ Just so you know, us sky cover weenies appreciate that the NWS always tries to be accurate. I would think that a snow weenie would at least understand that other people obsess over clouds just like snow.

I get it. Just an FYI, I'd say today has been a tad more partly sunny as opposed to partly cloudy.:sun: Have to say nothing frustrates me more than having a mid July heatwave wrecked by blow off clouds from an MCS 250 miles to my west and north. 

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17 hours ago, OrdIowPitMsp said:

Looks like a faster more progressive system on today’s runs. Should still usher in flakes and colder air on the backside. Maybe northern Minnesota will start laying down a snowpack late week. 

It'll be mainly rain/mix for me. Warm air being funneled northward, along with warmer lake waters. Typical this time of year for the shoreline. The ridges will pick some wet snow. I could see some backside snows, as the wind turns N/NW. Models really want to lay down some good snow totals across the Northland, tho.

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Duluth NWS office discussion on this upcoming system. Much more conservative on snow total potential than GFS keeps showing. Just a sloppy mess on tap, but you never know, just a little bit more cold air, and you have a heavy snow event. Getting more interesting.

Initial precipitation associated with this feature should move
into the area on Wednesday as warm air advection overspreads the
western Great Lakes and upper Mississippi Valley. As this occurs,
much of our region will reside in a couplet-jet configuration,
as a deep trough advances east across the central Plains and
upper ridging prevails over eastern Canada. These features,
combined with the aforementioned trough axis, will lead to low
pressure development across the lower Missouri Valley on Wednesday
night with nearly all global solutions now showing this feature
lifting north to western Lake Superior by 00z Friday. After this,
models show the low stalling and occluding as we head into the
start of next weekend. Previously mentioned rain on Wednesday will
change to a rain/snow mix by Wednesday night with this trend
continuing through Friday before the rain/snow mix eventually
turns to all snow Friday night as cooler air is drawn southward
with time. It`s at this point where minor accumulations will be
possible across portions of northern Minnesota and northwest
Wisconsin, with lake effect snow showers persisting the upcoming
weekend for South Shore locations. Additional accumulations will
be possible, however it`s still too early to get excited simply
based on the large distance into the forecast period. What does
seem certain is that our region will finally have it`s first taste
of winter as we head into the late work week and upcoming
weekend.
 

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1 hour ago, Brian D said:

It'll be mainly rain/mix for me. Warm air being funneled northward, along with warmer lake waters. Typical this time of year for the shoreline. The ridges will pick some wet snow. I could see some backside snows, as the wind turns N/NW. Models really want to lay down some good snow totals across the Northland, tho.

Experienced the early season Superior snow shadow firsthand in 2018. 4” of wet slop in Grand Marais. 18” a few miles up the Gunflint trail.

Models should start honing in on a solution over the next day or two.

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1 minute ago, Hoosier said:

Was at Starved Rock this weekend.  Saw some nice fall color, but then there were areas that looked more like this.  Also got mobbed by ladybugs.

 

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Same!  Except they aren't lady bugs.  They were bred years ago to eradicate Japanese beetles.  It kind of back fired and now we have these "Lady Bug" look a likes that are annoying as hell and bite.  

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8 minutes ago, Frog Town said:

Same!  Except they aren't lady bugs.  They were bred years ago to eradicate Japanese beetles.  It kind of back fired and now we have these "Lady Bug" look a likes that are annoying as hell and bite.  

Yeah, they were an off color.  I just call them all ladybugs.

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