November 2021

[EpicJolee]

33 now at Central Park. Will it be the first freeze there in almost 8 months????

[donsutherland1]

8 minutes ago, EpicJolee said:

33 now at Central Park. Will it be the first freeze there in almost 8 months????

It reached 32 this morning.

[MJO812]

4 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

It reached 32 this morning.

Tonight the park should drop below freezing 

[TriPol]

Whoa! 
 

https://twitter.com/lockingitin/status/1463364827322195969?s=21

[donsutherland1]

4 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Tonight the park should drop below freezing 

I agree. It will probably fall to 30.

[RippleEffect]

35 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Gfs is on board with a snowy Sunday 

Tony isn't this for monday early hours instead? 

[MJO812]

5 minutes ago, RippleEffect said:

Tony isn't this for monday early hours instead? 

Yes

[MJO812]

Ukie crushes eastern SNE

[nycwinter]

i am so not ready for snow...

[Eduardo]

19 minutes ago, nycwinter said:

i am so not ready for snow...

Screen name doesn’t check out ;-)

[dmillz25]

29 here

[LoboLeader1]

24 here as 5:30 this AM

[dmillz25]

6 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

I agree. It will probably fall to 30.

Maybe it could sneak a 29. 2 more hours for it

[LibertyBell]

5 hours ago, MJO812 said:

Yes

wait it says snow during the day on Sunday-- snow at night sucks can't really see it unless you're looking into the lights

 

[donsutherland1]

Morning thoughts…

Today will partly to mostly sunny but still chilly. High temperatures will likely reach the middle and upper 40s in most of the region. Likely high temperatures around the region include:

New York City (Central Park): 45°

Newark: 49°

Philadelphia: 49°

Normals:

New York City: 30-Year: 51.1°; 15-Year: 51.3°

Newark: 30-Year: 51.8°; 15-Year: 52.1°

Philadelphia: 30-Year: 52.8°; 15-Year: 53.1°

Tomorrow be milder as clouds increase ahead of the next cold front. There remains a possibility that parts of the region could see a light snowfall Sunday night into Monday.

[MJO812]

Euro has a weak clipper for Sunday night 

[MJO812]

Finally dropped below freezing in Brooklyn

30 degrees 

[MJO812]

6z gfs for the clipper 

[dmillz25]

10 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Finally dropped below freezing in Brooklyn

30 degrees 

That warm water man. I’ve been below freezing a few times already in north bk

[LibertyBell]

11 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Finally dropped below freezing in Brooklyn

30 degrees 

let's see if LGA gets to freezing or not.  That place has the fakest temps in the entire country, I can't believe anyone would use their data

[the_other_guy]

Clippers dont bring 10 inches of snow.

Little more to that there…

27F at 7 am

[the_other_guy]

2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

let's see if LGA gets to freezing or not.  That place has the fakest temps in the entire country, I can't believe anyone would use their data

The foliage. Too much foliage at LGA :/

[LibertyBell]

14 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Finally dropped below freezing in Brooklyn

30 degrees 

31 here

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, jfklganyc said:

Clippers dont bring 10 inches of snow.

Little more to that there…

yeah but I dont think most are buying that lol

From the 80s I remember a lot of storms that were like this, they had the potential to deliver 6+ inches of snow and we only got 1-3 inches

[wxman]

7 hours ago, MJO812 said:

Gfs is on board with a snowy Monday 

The GFS on the NOAA page looks nothing like this.  What am I missing?

[dmillz25]

7 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

but the wind isn't coming off the water, it's all this damn concrete causing fake temps.  It should be torn right out of the ground and we should return the land back to the way it was supposed to be before humans polluted it

 

Warm waters does have some influence no matter the wind direction at the immediate coast. The other 2 times it’s been below freezing here, his part of bk has been a few to several degrees above here

[bluewave]

14 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

but the wind isn't coming off the water, it's all this damn concrete causing fake temps.  It should be torn right out of the ground and we should return the land back to the way it was supposed to be before humans polluted it

 

It’s a warmer NW flow off the water today at LGA since the ASOS is right near the water in the NW corner of the airport. Same reason that they are cooler than Newark and sometimes JFK during heatwaves with offshore flow. If you look at the NYC micronet, the temperatures at LGA usually match the other observations in northern Queens. 
 

CITY           SKY/WX    TMP DP  RH WIND       PRES   REMARKS
Central Park   CLEAR     30  19  63 CALM      30.34R
LaGuardia Arpt CLEAR     33  19  56 NW15G21   30.32R WCI  23
Kennedy Intl   PTCLDY    31  18  58 NW16      30.33R WCI  20
Newark Liberty PTCLDY    32  19  58 NW8       30.33R WCI  25
Teterboro Arpt CLEAR     29  18  63 NW8       30.32R WCI  21
Bronx Lehman C   N/A     32  19  59 N5          N/A  WCI  27
Queens College   N/A     32  19  59 N9          N/A  WCI  24
Breezy Point     N/A     32 N/A N/A NW13        N/A  WCI  22
Brooklyn Coll    N/A     32  19  59 NW12        N/A  WCI  23
Staten Island    N/A     32  21  64 NW8         N/A  WCI  25

[CIK62]

The last 7 days of November are averaging  39degs.(34/43), or -4.

Month to date is  48.3[-0.8].        November should end near  46.1[-1.9].

Reached 42 here yesterday.

Today:  42-45, wind nw. to w., m. sunny.    5" of Snow on the 29th.?      December warmup now consists of multiple sub-32 highs and shows the GFS to be just an 'AssWipe' of a model.      

Compare with just 2 runs ago:

32*(61%RH) here at 6am.        35* at 9am.       40* at Noon.         45* at 2pm.      Reached 49* around 3:30pm.

[bluewave]

With these endless summer patterns lasting into October, NYC had a much earlier freeze relative to the means than POU did. Places that normally have an October freeze have been very late. But the delayed falls till November have allowed places like NYC to get their freeze closer to the recent averages. So the first freeze dates have been getting later faster in interior portions of the Northeast that used to have earlier fall freezes in the past.

Latest first freezes 2nd latest date at POU and only  19th latest in NYC

Frost/Freeze Summary for Poughkeepsie Area, NY (ThreadEx)
Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date.
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

Year	Last	Value	First	Value	Season Length
1995	-	-	11-05 (1995)	32	-
1971	04-24 (1971)	30	11-05 (1971)	30	194
2021	04-06 (2021)	32	11-03 (2021)	29	210
1975	04-22 (1975)	25	10-30 (1975)	31	190
2007	04-21 (2007)	32	10-29 (2007)	27	190
1942	04-14 (1942)	27	10-29 (1942)	32	197
2011	04-22 (2011)	27	10-28 (2011)	28	188
2013	05-14 (2013)	30	10-24 (2013)	31	162
2005	05-13 (2005)	32	10-24 (2005)	31	163
1967	05-13 (1967)	30	10-23 (1967)	28	162
1998	-	-	10-22 (1998)	32	-
1955	05-10 (1955)	30	10-22 (1955)	29	164
2014	04-25 (2014)	31	10-20 (2014)	30	177
1990	04-19 (1990)	27	10-20 (1990)	30	183
1973	04-30 (1973)	32	10-19 (1973)	31	171
2018	04-23 (2018)	28	10-18 (2018)	32	177
1948	05-02 (1948)	32	10-18 (1948)	32	168
2017	05-11 (2017)	32	10-17 (2017)	30	158
2015	04-26 (2015)	30	10-17 (2015)	29	173

 

 

 

Frost/Freeze Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY
Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date.
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

Year	Last	Value	First	Value	Season Length
1998	03-23 (1998)	32	12-22 (1998)	22	273
2001	03-28 (2001)	30	12-16 (2001)	32	262
1948	04-04 (1948)	32	12-11 (1948)	31	250
2011	03-29 (2011)	31	12-10 (2011)	32	255
2016	04-10 (2016)	31	12-09 (2016)	29	242
2009	03-24 (2009)	27	12-07 (2009)	32	257
1902	03-20 (1902)	31	12-05 (1902)	24	259
2010	03-27 (2010)	29	12-04 (2010)	32	251
2006	03-22 (2006)	31	12-04 (2006)	31	256
1907	04-03 (1907)	32	12-03 (1907)	30	243
1985	04-10 (1985)	28	12-02 (1985)	30	235
1963	03-23 (1963)	30	12-01 (1963)	29	252
1999	03-16 (1999)	32	11-30 (1999)	28	258
1979	04-08 (1979)	32	11-30 (1979)	29	235
1909	04-11 (1909)	24	11-30 (1909)	31	232
1952	03-18 (1952)	30	11-29 (1952)	28	255
1906	04-03 (1906)	32	11-29 (1906)	29	239
1958	04-09 (1958)	29	11-28 (1958)	32	232
2002	04-07 (2002)	30	11-27 (2002)	27	233
1991	03-31 (1991)	31	11-26 (1991)	31	239
1950	04-14 (1950)	26	11-26 (1950)	28	225
1981	03-21 (1981)	30	11-25 (1981)	31	248
1978	04-03 (1978)	31	11-25 (1978)	32	235
1941	03-31 (1941)	29	11-25 (1941)	31	238
2015	04-01 (2015)	32	11-24 (2015)	32	236
1938	04-07 (1938)	30	11-24 (1938)	21	230
1918	04-12 (1918)	32	11-24 (1918)	30	225
1898	04-07 (1898)	29	11-24 (1898)	32	230
2021	04-03 (2021)	32	11-23 (2021)	32	233

 

[LibertyBell]

19 minutes ago, bluewave said:

It’s a warmer NW flow off the water today at LGA since the ASOS is right near the water in the NW corner of the airport. Same reason that they are cooler than Newark and sometimes JFK during heatwaves with offshore flow. If you look at the NYC micronet, the temperatures at LGA usually match the other observations in northern Queens. 
 

CITY           SKY/WX    TMP DP  RH WIND       PRES   REMARKS
Central Park   CLEAR     30  19  63 CALM      30.34R
LaGuardia Arpt CLEAR     33  19  56 NW15G21   30.32R WCI  23
Kennedy Intl   PTCLDY    31  18  58 NW16      30.33R WCI  20
Newark Liberty PTCLDY    32  19  58 NW8       30.33R WCI  25
Teterboro Arpt CLEAR     29  18  63 NW8       30.32R WCI  21
Bronx Lehman C   N/A     32  19  59 N5          N/A  WCI  27
Queens College   N/A     32  19  59 N9          N/A  WCI  24
Breezy Point     N/A     32 N/A N/A NW13        N/A  WCI  22
Brooklyn Coll    N/A     32  19  59 NW12        N/A  WCI  23
Staten Island    N/A     32  21  64 NW8         N/A  WCI  25

What's causing JFK to be warmer than NYC, is it because of Jamaica Bay (although the wind trajectory isn't coming off the bay?)  This isn't a radiational cooling night, with the wind, and JFK is usually colder when there is good radiational cooling.

 

Is this why LGA typically has the latest freeze?  It seems like its lows are always higher than the rest of the region, no matter the time of the year and no matter the wind direction

Weird thing about JFK is with offshore flow during the summer they are usually just as hot as EWR is and hotter than either NYC or LGA, I've always wondered of the buildings to the north and west of JFK actually create a downslope effect lol. I noticed that happens in the winter too, but it's less noticeable because NW winds are cold winds in the winter, but JFK still manages to be  milder than the other official locations.  It's usually a 2-3 degree difference.