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Roller coastember

Nice swirl off the  SC and SE coast.  Looks like the roller coaster is climbing and temps should be on the stronger plus side 11/8 - 11/12.  Then 11/13 - 11/16 cooler/ colder (11/14-15) side.  Beyond there back warmer perhaps by D9/10 (11/16 - 11/21).  Looking out towards Thanksgiving week looks like we head back colder on the long range.  Cold start will be hard to over come unless Thanksgiving cold folds.  

 

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26 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

In the main la nina thread they seem to think we'll have an active back end too.  So maybe a snowy beginning and a snow end?  Quote a few la nina's have been book end winters.

 

Our last bookend La Niña was 17-18. Snowy mid-December to January 4th then early spring from mid-January through the 80° high in late February. Record snows in March to early April. 16-17 had a very even distribution of snow from December through March. It was really  mild from late December through February. We had the famous Denver style 60° the day before the February blizzard. 10-11 was our last front-loaded La Niña winter with Newark recording 60"+ from late December to late January before the snows shut off. 
 

Monthly Total Snowfall for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NY
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Year
Dec
Jan
Feb
Mar
Apr
Season
2016-2017 3.2 14.0 14.7 7.4 T 39.3
2017-2018 6.0 22.0 1.4 31.9 4.6 65.9


 

Maximum 35-Day Total Snowfall 
for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ
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Rank
Value
Dates
Missing Days
Period of record: 1931-02-01 to 2021-11-06
1 61.6 2010-12-26 through 2011-01-29 0
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39 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Our last bookend La Niña was 17-18. Snowy mid-December to January 4th then early spring from mid-January through the 80° high in late February. Record snows in March to early April. 16-17 had a very even distribution of snow from December through March. It was really  mild from late December through February. We had the famous Denver style 60° the day before the February blizzard. 10-11 was our last front-loaded La Niña winter with Newark recording 60"+ from late December to late January before the snows shut off. 
 

Monthly Total Snowfall for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NY
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Year
Dec
Jan
Feb
Mar
Apr
Season
2016-2017 3.2 14.0 14.7 7.4 T 39.3
2017-2018 6.0 22.0 1.4 31.9 4.6 65.9


 

Maximum 35-Day Total Snowfall 
for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ
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Period of record: 1931-02-01 to 2021-11-06
1 61.6 2010-12-26 through 2011-01-29 0

Peaked my interest with 17/18.

Probably my 4th favorite winter of all time.

56 inches total snowfall with 28 falling from March onwards.

Early season snowfall.

Great warmth for hearting savings and outdoor activities.

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51 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

Peaked my interest with 17/18.

Probably my 4th favorite winter of all time.

56 inches total snowfall with 28 falling from March onwards.

Early season snowfall.

Great warmth for hearting savings and outdoor activities.

Yeah that was definitely a good season for backend snow.  Spring was definitely welcomed after that.

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1 hour ago, EastonSN+ said:

Peaked my interest with 17/18.

Probably my 4th favorite winter of all time.

56 inches total snowfall with 28 falling from March onwards.

Early season snowfall.

Great warmth for hearting savings and outdoor activities.

Even in our new snowier climate since 02-03,  17-18 stands out in Suffolk. 
 

Data for October 1, 2020 through April 30, 2021
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Name
Station Type
Total Snowfall 
NESCONSET 1.4 SSW CoCoRaHS 46.1
MOUNT SINAI COOP 41.3


 

Data for October 1, 2017 through April 30, 2018
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Name
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Total Snowfall 
BRIGHTWATERS 0.7 NNW CoCoRaHS 72.0
NESCONSET 1.4 SSW CoCoRaHS 71.8


 

Data for October 1, 2016 through April 30, 2017
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Name
Station Type
Total Snowfall 
BAITING HOLLOW COOP 42.7
UPTON COOP - NWSFO NEW YORK COOP 42.1
NESCONSET 1.4 SSW CoCoRaHS 41.2


 

Data for October 1, 2015 through April 30, 2016
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Name
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Total Snowfall 
ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 41.4
CENTERPORT COOP 41.0


 

Data for October 1, 2014 through April 30, 2015
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Name
Station Type
Total Snowfall 
BAITING HOLLOW COOP 67.9
JAMESPORT 0.6 SSW CoCoRaHS 63.9
ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 63.7
RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM COOP 63.5
UPTON COOP - NWSFO NEW YORK COOP 62.2
ROCKY POINT 2.0 N CoCoRaHS 61.6


 

Data for October 1, 2013 through April 30, 2014
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Name
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Total Snowfall 
ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 63.7
BAITING HOLLOW COOP 62.7
CENTERPORT COOP 60.8


 

Data for October 1, 2012 through April 30, 2013
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Name
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Total Snowfall 
UPTON COOP - NWSFO NEW YORK COOP 51.1
ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 46.9
BAITING HOLLOW COOP 45.1
MOUNT SINAI COOP 44.5


 

Data for October 1, 2010 through April 30, 2011
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Name
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Total Snowfall 
CENTERPORT COOP 64.0
MOUNT SINAI COOP 55.9
ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 55.3
BAITING HOLLOW COOP 53.1
NORTHPORT 1.6 NNE CoCoRaHS 52.5


 

Data for October 1, 2009 through April 30, 2010
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Name
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Total Snowfall 
BAITING HOLLOW COOP 57.0
EAST MORICHES 0.6 WNW CoCoRaHS 55.0
ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 53.8

 


 

Data for October 1, 2008 through April 30, 2009
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Name
Station Type
Total Snowfall 
BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP 44.3


 

Data for October 1, 2004 through April 30, 2005
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Name
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Total Snowfall 
RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM COOP 63.8
BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP 59.3
ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 58.8
CENTERPORT COOP 54.3


 

Data for October 1, 2003 through April 30, 2004
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Name
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CENTERPORT COOP 59.7
BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP 47.9
RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM COOP 43.5


 

Data for October 1, 2002 through April 30, 2003
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Name
Station Type
Total Snowfall 
BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP 63.5
RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM COOP 48.7
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A warming trend will commence tomorrow. Overall, the first 10 days of November will average solidly cooler than normal in the Middle Atlantic and southern New England regions. Dry conditions will likely persist until late next week. Ensemble members are clustered around the November 12-14 for a possible break in the dry weather. Cooler weather could follow.

During the second half of October, the Atlantic teleconnections went through an unusual combination for that timeframe where the AO was +0.750 or above and the NAO was -0.750 or below for a four consecutive days. There were three clusters of cases with one or more such days during the second half of October (1950-2020), two of which favored warmth in the East in November.

Cluster 1 (1961, 1973, 1975): Warm East, Cool West
Cluster 2 (1970, 2006): Warm Northeast/Cool Southeast, Warm West
Cluster 3 (2008): Cool East, Warm West

The evolution of the PNA could be crucial. For both Cluster 1 and 2, the PNA averaged negative during November. For Cluster 3, the PNA averaged above +1.000.

Fall 2021 will likely be wetter to much wetter than normal in the northern Middle Atlantic region. Since 1869, there have been 9 August cases where New York City picked up 20.00" or more rainfall during the summer. Two thirds of those cases (and 4/5 of those with summer mean temperatures of 73.0° or above) had 17.00" or more fall precipitation in New York City. 2011 is probably the closest match in terms of precipitation and a nearly identical summer mean temperature. Mean fall precipitation for those 9 cases was 14.86". The median was 17.35". The 1991-2020 normal value is 12.27". Fall rainfall through November 7 4 pm is 15.29".

Following very wet July-September periods, winter (December-February) precipitation has typically been near or below normal. The most recent exception was winter 2018-19.

The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -0.6°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -1.1°C for the week centered around October 27. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -0.05°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.65°C. La Niña conditions will likely persist through at least mid-winter.

The SOI was +17.05 today.

The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) figure was +1.584 today.

On November 5 the MJO was in Phase 4 at an amplitude of 1.124 (RMM). The November 4-adjusted amplitude was 0.983 (RMM).

Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 52% probability that New York City will have a cooler than normal November (1991-2020 normal). November will likely finish with a mean temperature near 47.8° (0.2° below normal).

 

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12 hours ago, bluewave said:

Our last bookend La Niña was 17-18. Snowy mid-December to January 4th then early spring from mid-January through the 80° high in late February. Record snows in March to early April. 16-17 had a very even distribution of snow from December through March. It was really  mild from late December through February. We had the famous Denver style 60° the day before the February blizzard. 10-11 was our last front-loaded La Niña winter with Newark recording 60"+ from late December to late January before the snows shut off. 
 

Monthly Total Snowfall for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NY
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.
Year
Dec
Jan
Feb
Mar
Apr
Season
2016-2017 3.2 14.0 14.7 7.4 T 39.3
2017-2018 6.0 22.0 1.4 31.9 4.6 65.9


 

Maximum 35-Day Total Snowfall 
for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ
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Rank
Value
Dates
Missing Days
Period of record: 1931-02-01 to 2021-11-06
1 61.6 2010-12-26 through 2011-01-29 0

Chris do you consider 1995-96 to be a book end winter on steroids?  It's interesting so many of these book end winters had April snowstorms..... 1955-56, 1995-96, 2017-18

 

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54 minutes ago, LoboLeader1 said:

45* here as 5:30 this AM, fourteen degrees warmer than yesterday at this time. 

Low level inversion seems to be in place out here in eastern PA and NW NJ this morning.  Low elevation locations are currently in the low to mid 30s while most other places are well into the 40s.  This is resulting in 10 to 15 degree temperature differences across short distances.

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The next 8 days are averaging  54degs.(48/60), or +5.

Most of the rain and all snow are gone from the GFS----Smart Boy---say nothing----before consulting a real meteorologist. LOL

Today: 62-66, wind n., m. sunny.

50*(51%) here at 6am,  Sunny       52* at 7am.     56* at 9am.      60* at 11am.      61* at Noon.      65* at 2pm.      Reached 66* near 4pm.

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Warm up this week after a colder than average first week of November. Looks like our next  chance of significant rain and wind will be Friday. Then we start another cool down during the weekend.   Probably a leaf clean up weekend after the storm for the garden interests.

 

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5 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Warm up this week after a colder than average first week of November. Looks like our next  chance of significant rain and wind will be Friday. Then we start another cold down during the weekend.   Probably a leaf clean up weekend after the storm for the garden interests.

 

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Good to see the pattern changing slowly. No sustainable cold until the PNA pops positive.

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10 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Good to see the pattern changing slowly. No sustainable cold until the PNA pops positive.

It looks like a back and forth type pattern. The MJO 4-6 is pumping the -EPO/+PNA. But the very strong La Niña Jet acts to flatten it out. So we get a progression of warm ups and cool downs. The monthly departure may not be determined until the last week of November. Maybe the new weeklies later will provide some clues.

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Morning thoughts…

Today will be mostly sunny and warm. High temperatures will likely reach the lower and middle 60s in most of the region. Likely high temperatures around the region include:

New York City (Central Park): 63°

Newark: 67°

Philadelphia: 66°

Normals:

New York City: 30-Year: 56.6°; 15-Year: 56.6°

Newark: 30-Year: 57.7°; 15-Year: 57.9°

Philadelphia: 30-Year: 58.7°; 15-Year: 58.6°

Temperatures will average above to much above normal through much of the week.

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1 hour ago, bluewave said:

It looks like a back and forth type pattern. The MJO 4-6 is pumping the -EPO/+PNA. But the very strong La Niña Jet acts to flatten it out. So we get a progression of warm ups and cool downs. The monthly departure may not be determined until the last week of November. Maybe the new weeklies later will provide some clues.

Gefs has been steadfast of bringing in colder air compared to the op.

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Not much change in the extended EPS. MJO 4-6 ridging over the NE PAC with the PAC Jet sending shortwaves through from time to time. Warmer this week with a cool down from the weekend into next week. Last week of November has a colder than average area just to our west. But we’ll see what that looks like the closer we get since week 3 and beyond has lower skill. 

Nov 8-15

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Nov 15-22


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Nov 22-29

 

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In spirit of the clocks' being turned back one hour on Sunday, the seasonal clock seemed to have been turned back today. Under bright sunshine, the temperature rose into the 60s and even 70s in the Middle Atlantic and southern New England regions. High temperatures included:

Baltimore: 72°
Boston: 60°
Bridgeport: 67°
Harrisburg: 67°
Hartford: 64°
Islip: 65°
New York City: 63°
Newark: 68°
Philadelphia: 67°
Portland, ME: 61°
Providence: 64°
Washington, DC: 70°

Unseasonable warmth will persist through Friday. Nevertheless, the first 10 days of November will average solidly cooler than normal in the Middle Atlantic and southern New England regions. A cold front will bring some rain later Friday perhaps into Saturday. Afterward, it will turn noticeably cooler.

During the second half of October, the Atlantic teleconnections went through an unusual combination for that timeframe where the AO was +0.750 or above and the NAO was -0.750 or below for a four consecutive days. There were three clusters of cases with one or more such days during the second half of October (1950-2020), two of which favored warmth in the East in November.

Cluster 1 (1961, 1973, 1975): Warm East, Cool West
Cluster 2 (1970, 2006): Warm Northeast/Cool Southeast, Warm West
Cluster 3 (2008): Cool East, Warm West

The evolution of the PNA could be crucial. For both Cluster 1 and 2, the PNA averaged negative during November. For Cluster 3, the PNA averaged above +1.000.

Fall 2021 will likely be wetter to much wetter than normal in the northern Middle Atlantic region. Since 1869, there have been 9 August cases where New York City picked up 20.00" or more rainfall during the summer. Two thirds of those cases (and 4/5 of those with summer mean temperatures of 73.0° or above) had 17.00" or more fall precipitation in New York City. 2011 is probably the closest match in terms of precipitation and a nearly identical summer mean temperature. Mean fall precipitation for those 9 cases was 14.86". The median was 17.35". The 1991-2020 normal value is 12.27". Fall rainfall through November 7 4 pm is 15.29".

Following very wet July-September periods, winter (December-February) precipitation has typically been near or below normal. The most recent exception was winter 2018-19.

The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -0.8°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -1.0°C for the week centered around November 3. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -0.27°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.78°C. La Niña conditions will likely persist through at least mid-winter.

The SOI was +20.68 today.

The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) figure was +1.169 today.

On November 6 the MJO was in Phase 4 at an amplitude of 1.184 (RMM). The November 5-adjusted amplitude was 1.121 (RMM).

Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 56% probability that New York City will have a cooler than normal November (1991-2020 normal). November will likely finish with a mean temperature near 47.7° (0.3° below normal).

 

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